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2. Oakes - For me Moss has been average at best so give the lad a try, promising Talent
3. Minns - Record Speaks for itself
4. Heffernan - Proving to be an astute signing.
5. Cockayne - Proved his fitness and has to be a massive upgrade on the poor performances Shaw has put in, experience will be welcomed.
6. Abdull - Steady away but showing good signs.
7. Ellis - Much needed SL quality.
8. Scruton - Machine.
9. Lunt - Another SL standard player.
10. Clarkson - Decent but still improvements to be made.
11. Maurice Blair - Puts a decent performance in Week after week.
12. James Greenwood - Hard working forward.
13. James Donaldson - Another class player willing to do the dirty work.
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15. George Milton - Really good in reserves, deserves the nod.
16. Robbie Mulhearn - Started to show signs of him been a formidable forward.
17. Graham Horne - Fit and ready, sure his experience would be welcomed.
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Shaw - Poor
Moss - Average at Best
Injured
Addy
Clark
Marsh
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Brad Clavering - One for the future
Joe Cator - Play him in academy V Wigan
Dave Hodgson - Call on him later in the season, still got it though
Liam Harris - His time will come
Kieron Moran - Loaned to York
Will Jubb - Loaned to York
Liam Salter - Needs to massively improve to get ahead of Minns & Heffernan and the Butler Fleming when he is fit.
How would you play it????
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| Quote ="TheRealist"1. Quinlan - Class Act
2. Oakes - For me Moss has been average at best so give the lad a try, promising Talent
3. Minns - Record Speaks for itself
4. Heffernan - Proving to be an astute signing.
5. Cockayne - Proved his fitness and has to be a massive upgrade on the poor performances Shaw has put in, experience will be welcomed.
6. Abdull - Steady away but showing good signs.
7. Ellis - Much needed SL quality.
8. Scruton - Machine.
9. Lunt - Another SL standard player.
10. Clarkson - Decent but still improvements to be made.
11. Maurice Blair - Puts a decent performance in Week after week.
12. James Greenwood - Hard working forward.
13. James Donaldson - Another class player willing to do the dirty work.
14. Ben Kavanagh - Impact off the Bench.
15. George Milton - Really good in reserves, deserves the nod.
16. Robbie Mulhearn - Started to show signs of him been a formidable forward.
17. Graham Horne - Fit and ready, sure his experience would be welcomed.
Dropped
Shaw - Poor
Moss - Average at Best
Injured
Addy
Clark
Marsh
Wardill
Lawler
Butler Flemming
Missing Out
Brad Clavering - One for the future
Joe Cator - Play him in academy V Wigan
Dave Hodgson - Call on him later in the season, still got it though
Liam Harris - His time will come
Kieron Moran - Loaned to York
Will Jubb - Loaned to York
Liam Salter - Needs to massively improve to get ahead of Minns & Heffernan and the Butler Fleming when he is fit.
How would you play it????'"
Well Horne wouldn't be in the side really can't see what Moss has done wrong just needs Minns to give him the ball as he's very fast as shown when scoring last week Cockayne is finished I'd have Moss and Oakes on the wings
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Well Horne wouldn't be in the side really can't see what Moss has done wrong just needs Minns to give him the ball as he's very fast as shown when scoring last week Cockayne is finished I'd have Moss and Oakes on the wings'"
Horne is only in due to injuries to other key forwards. His experience would get him the gig on the bench.
Moss just looks weak in the out sets, we were spoilt with Sio and Mantalatto I suppose.
Oakes will be good and Moss might be given ball in hand but he is playing out of position.
I have never seen the fascination in Shaw. I really do believe he is poor.
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| Yeah, I've thought Moss has looked pretty classy. I want to see more of him, not less.
With Cockayne, JBF, Oakes and Hodgson in the squad, Shaw will have plenty of competition for his spot. He's done okay so far though and looks more powerful than last year. I'm not accusing the OP of this necessarily, because there is a case for giving Cockayne a run - but over the years the opinion that we must find a place for him in the 17 has been expressed fairly frequently. For his energy, enthusiasm and now experience. Sometimes, including sometimes unfairly IMO, also because whoever is picked ahead of him is poop. Being picked ahead of BC is Rovers most poisoned chalice.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Yeah, I've thought Moss has looked pretty classy. I want to see more of him, not less.
With Cockayne, JBF, Oakes and Hodgson in the squad, Shaw will have plenty of competition for his spot. He's done okay so far though and looks more powerful than last year. I'm not accusing the OP of this necessarily, because there is a case for giving Cockayne a run - but over the years the opinion that we must find a place for him in the 17 has been expressed fairly frequently. For his energy, enthusiasm and now experience. Sometimes, including sometimes unfairly IMO, also because whoever is picked ahead of him is poop. Being picked ahead of BC is Rovers most poisoned chalice.'"
I'm not sure about Moss on the wing. For the early part of the season they have looked pretty weak doing the Ugly stuff, unable to break the line on out sets. I am not saying BC has the divine right to play and he is certainly not a long term option, more a club ambassador this year but it may give Shaw/Moss a kick up the to try a little harder. Maybe throw Hodgy in instead of BC, he still has a spark there!!!
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| Cockayne stays on the bench as cover for the backs and to spell Lunt. Scruton will probably miss this week due to suspension (when are these announced?). I think there is an arguement to give Oakes a go in front of Shaw who hasn't done a lot wrong but equally doesn't seem to offer as big a threat as he should.
Moss I'm a little underwhelmed with but he has something in his game that when it comes out will be exciting.
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| I'm one of those people who thinks players under pressure for their starting spot perform better.
But looking at Sunday's opposition (Sheffield) I see they are playing Dane Chisholm at fullback.
I would hope and expect that this is a call for plenty of high bombs and tall fast wings running at him all afternoon. So that would be Shaw and Moss over Oakes and Cockayne.
Maybe we needed to pick players to meet a paticular challenge over developing a team spirit.
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| Shaw the scapegoat this season then! Or maybe Moss! The jury seems to be out at the moment.
Shaw played well last Sunday, was very secure under the high ball. He looks stronger this year and I expect him to see him continue in the starting line-up.
Moss is playing in a position that he admits he is relatively unused to and it will take time for him to fully adapt to it.
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| Quote ="TheRealist"I'm not sure about Moss on the wing. For the early part of the season they have looked pretty weak doing the Ugly stuff, unable to break the line on out sets. I am not saying BC has the divine right to play and he is certainly not a long term option, more a club ambassador this year but it may give Shaw/Moss a kick up the booty to try a little harder. Maybe throw Hodgy in instead of BC, he still has a spark there!!!'"
We don't want an ambassador on the pitch they should be in the bar meeting and greeting! On the pitch we need the best 17 available that day. Taking into account the opposition and injuries the coach might decide to give one or more of the fridge players some game time.
Ben does not warrant a start in any position as he is not better than any of the starting 13 used so far. His enthusiasm and energy do make him a useful impact player when players are injured.
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| If its not broken, don't fix it. . .except for enforced changes re Clark and maybe Scruton if banned.
Looking at the prop situation, the options are Clarkson, Kavanagh, Mulhern and Milton - pity Moran is out on loan.
For me, Milton deserves an opportunity - saw him a few times at Donny, and the other weeks reserve game, he's ready.
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| Moss looks a very tidy player playing in a new unfamiliar position. He has done nothing wrong other than being outside of Minns who doesn't pass to him. Wind back a season and Sio's try tally diminished with Minns as his centre. Moss is good under the high ball, is decent defensively and scored a peach of a try against Rochdale. FFS - give him time.
Shaw - steady at best but again good under the high ball. Butler-Fleming and Oakes will be in the CC side and then the League side once Shaw has a mare or we get an injury in the outside backs.
If Horne gets picked, I'll get a muck spreader and soil the CP pitch. Still haven't forgiven him for his MPG indiscretions and probably never will. Milton ahead of him any day of the week for me.
Despite early stage execution issues, I am a big admirer of Abdull and Ellis in the halves and Quinlan at FB. The current centres are class players and the front row is a major upgrade so far over last year.
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| Assuming Scruton and Clark are missing then the only changes I would make would be to bring in Milton and Horne. We lose some grunt up front but I don't see what other option we have at the minute. Start Kavanagh and Clarkson, bring Mulhurn and Milton off the bench in the front row.
Really not seeing any reason to drop either of our wingers. Moss is a match winner whilst Shaw has done nothing wrong and is still playing his way back from a major injury. As the season progresses Oakes will put them under massive pressure, he is special, but I don't think that Sheens is over keen to blood youngsters at the minute. Butler-Fleming we know absolutely nothing about to be honest so until we see him in action for the reserves I will reserve judgement.
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| Quote ="Pickering Red"Moss looks a very tidy player playing in a new unfamiliar position. He has done nothing wrong other than being outside of Minns who doesn't pass to him. Wind back a season and Sio's try tally diminished with Minns as his centre. Moss is good under the high ball, is decent defensively and scored a peach of a try against Rochdale. FFS - give him time.
Shaw - steady at best but again good under the high ball. Butler-Fleming and Oakes will be in the CC side and then the League side once Shaw has a mare or we get an injury in the outside backs.
If Horne gets picked, I'll get a muck spreader and soil the CP pitch. Still haven't forgiven him for his MPG indiscretions and probably never will. Milton ahead of him any day of the week for me.
Despite early stage execution issues, I am a big admirer of Abdull and Ellis in the halves and Quinlan at FB. The current centres are class players and the front row is a major upgrade so far over last year.'"
Moss isn't a bad player. In fact most of the team are going well. Moss just looks indecisive at times. That might not be just down to him switching roles. I'm all for giving him a bit more time.
My only slight concern is the halves although neither have done anything drastically wrong, we could do with one of them having more experience in certain situations.
It's working at the moment though so can't see any real need for changes unless forced by injury. Some positions may need stengthening though as the season goes on if gradual improvements aren't made if we want to get back to SL on the first chance. In four more matches a third of the season will have gone, improvements need to be evident (even if only slight) by then.
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"Moss isn't a bad player. In fact most of the team are going well. Moss just looks indecisive at times. That might not be just down to him switching roles. I'm all for giving him a bit more time.
My only slight concern is the halves although neither have done anything drastically wrong, we could do with one of them having more experience in certain situations.
It's working at the moment though so can't see any real need for changes unless forced by injury. Some positions may need stengthening though as the season goes on if gradual improvements aren't made if we want to get back to SL on the first chance. In four more matches a third of the season will have gone, improvements need to be evident (even if only slight) by then.'"
The only negative I've got about Abdul and Ellis is there kicking games haven't been great
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| A sensible lot of responses for me.
The Bratfud fans thought Moss a fantastic player. He looks class and can score from anywhere. He was always looking for work Sunday just got no service.
Shame that the one weak point of Minns' game is he doesn't pass. Moss did his nut at him first half for not passing to him on that long break he made. If Minns learns to pass he could be a top quality centre.
I wouldn't drop Moss with service or moved to full back he'll run riot. Shaw hasn't done anything wrong. Oakes needs looking after. Bring him in now and again. Butler Fleming I'm guessing can play or Sheens wouldn't have brought him over.
If Clark and Scruton are out shows how light we are for front rows with the back up options. All but one a little on the light side...again.
The rest pick themselves on performances so far.
Horne and the bigot back up squad players for me.
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| Moss isn't a winger he's a specialist fullback filling in on the wing.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"A sensible lot of responses for me.
The Bratfud fans thought Moss a fantastic player. He looks class and can score from anywhere. He was always looking for work Sunday just got no service.
Shame that the one weak point of Minns' game is he doesn't pass. Moss did his nut at him first half for not passing to him on that long break he made. If Minns learns to pass he could be a top quality centre.
I wouldn't drop Moss with service or moved to full back he'll run riot. Shaw hasn't done anything wrong. Oakes needs looking after. Bring him in now and again. Butler Fleming I'm guessing can play or Sheens wouldn't have brought him over.
If Clark and Scruton are out shows how light we are for front rows with the back up options. All but one a little on the light side...again.
The rest pick themselves on performances so far.
Horne and the bigot back up squad players for me.'"
Front row wise we have Kavagnah, Clarkson, Mulhern, Moran and then even at a push Milton (who played mostly prop at Donny) and Clavering (who will be unfit) also Ben Butler looked decent in the reserves game, think we could risk one or two academy players against Sheffield.
Also Greenwood can slot in there in an emergency.
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"Moss isn't a bad player. In fact most of the team are going well. Moss just looks indecisive at times. That might not be just down to him switching roles. I'm all for giving him a bit more time.
My only slight concern is the halves although neither have done anything drastically wrong, we could do with one of them having more experience in certain situations.
It's working at the moment though so can't see any real need for changes unless forced by injury. Some positions may need stengthening though as the season goes on if gradual improvements aren't made if we want to get back to SL on the first chance. In four more matches a third of the season will have gone, improvements need to be evident (even if only slight) by then.'"
In which situations do Ellis ans Abdul need more experience? Which positions may need strengthening?
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| Quote ="Keiththered"In which situations do Ellis ans Abdul need more experience? Which positions may need strengthening?'"
Some of the kicking last week wasn't fantastic (but not overly bad) and some leadership when the score is tight (Rochdale away). Neither has done anything wrong as such, it could just be better. In 4 or 5 games if things haven't continued to improve then start considering other options in preparation for the end of the season.
Moss has done OK and is very fast (remember Caro's speed?) but as my brother put it, is full of indecision. He also ran into touch in the Rochdale game. Those saying put him at FB need to think. Would you really swap Quinlan for Moss? Moss therefore needs to either adapt to the role that our uber experienced coach has given him or get swapped out. Moss may eventually get a chance at FB, but Sheens has put him on the wing for a reason. Moss could be an excellent player, but we thought that of Brown, Caro and Dixon in the past as well. I wouldn't drop him but he may not end up being good enough for SL. Time will tell.
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Moss has done OK and is very fast (remember Caro's speed?) but as my brother put it, is full of indecision. He also ran into touch in the Rochdale game. Those saying put him at FB need to think. Would you really swap Quinlan for Moss? Moss therefore needs to either adapt to the role that our uber experienced coach has given him or get swapped out. Moss may eventually get a chance at FB, but Sheens has put him on the wing for a reason. Moss could be an excellent player, but we thought that of Brown, Caro and Dixon in the past as well. I wouldn't drop him but he may not end up being good enough for SL. Time will tell.'"
In answer to your question. Yes I would put Moss at FB over Quinlan. I don't think Quinlan has been great in attack or defence. He's not done much to convince me he's better than Moss. Maybe things will improve for both of them when it gets a bit warmer.
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| I would like to see some squad rotation, until players are tried in a position we will never know how good they are.
I'm old enough to remember us signing an aussie as hooker cover, he couldn't get in the team so Roger tried him at loose man. He went on to win the Daley M - Gavin Miller
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| Quote ="BiltonRobin"I would like to see some squad rotation, until players are tried in a position we will never know how good they are.
I'm old enough to remember us signing an aussie as hooker cover, he couldn't get in the team so Roger tried him at loose man. He went on to win the Daley M - Gavin Miller'"
I believe its a matter of time before the spine looks like this:
Moss (FB)
Quinlan (Off half)
Ellis (Scrum half)
Lunt (Hooker)
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What a player he was When I first so him he played in our A team and my mate who was with me said he looks like a monkey but he was great I think he won our man of steel the first aussie to do so
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| Quote ="Pickering Red"Mitch Clark has fractured his ankle and done some ligament damage according to HDM. Out for a couple of months at least. Big loss.'"
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