Would it be different Craig, if Abdul signed permanent, is it because he is still a Hull player that upsets you?

Alan Sugar stylee

My initial answer is yes...then I come back to my assertion he is not a good player.and I don't rate him.saying that I cheered crossman Mika and Clinton .I keep saying I hope to be proved wrong and this is one that I may have egg on face with .I'd like to think I'd man up and apologise if proven to be talking rot

I'm sure you would craig hkr, but in the meantime, you're absolutely hilarious in how ridiculous you are.

My favourite quote is "Feck you, go suck your own plums".

Genuinely marvellous stuff.

But is the subject of this thread.

Top level playing experience in the squad has been reduced but will hopefully be addressed mid season. On average, skill level is about the same or a little less (as well as some skillful players, some lemons have also left). Enthusiasm and hunger level has increased. Quite a few of the squad last season appeared disinterested or coasting - disappointingly some were the same one's who were classed as experienced or skillful.

With Bradford rebuilding, their team is unlikely to be as competitive as last season and they were to be our greatest threat. That said, they'll be out to prove a point this season.

I predicted the bottom 4 of SL before for 2017, and not a lot has changed my mind - Widnes, Salford, Huddersfield and either Wakey or Leigh. Hudds were shakey last season and not done much inbetween.

Although they have no chance of making it into Super League, never write off London. Their squad seems quite good on paper. However they shouldn't really stand in our way with our squad.

My prediction for bottom of SL and top of Championship is..

Leeds
Widnes
Leigh
Salford

and

Hull KR
London
Fev
Tolouse/Bradford if they didn't have the -12

Agree with this Frankie.

I've never been a fan of Marsh other than of his potential. He's simply not creative enough in the halves and he is too quiet vocally. He has never delivered a performance in our first team that's had my bum crease with excitement. That said, more experience and game time in future and things might be different.

Which brings me neatly on to Abdull. Currently he is at the same "bags of potential" career stage as Matty Marsh. More experience and game time required and he will be a diamond, which is exactly the raison d'etre for him joining us on loan. Unlike Marsh, Abdull is vocal and has a more varied kicking game, so I have him ahead on points.

You can only comment on reality to date and Jordan Abdull and Jamie Ellis went well in the halves for us at Hull last time out.

The acid test will be Leeds this week. They are weak in the halves and McGuire and Burrow are getting on a bit.

If I had to make a prediction as to the bottom 4 in SL in 2017 at this preseason stage, I would say Huddersfield, Salford, Widnes and one of either Leigh or Leeds.

Did no one watch the Derby at their place last year? Abdull was one of if not the best player on the pitch. I think some people are blinkered because of who his parent club are.

I think the Sio, Thornley, Walker, Tilse, Green and Allgood comparisons are about right and had all the others played full seasons, you would most probably be about right too (although I disagree about Dixon as he had become that much of a liability at times.)

If comparing with the previous season though, I feel you need to think whether a full season of Heffernan, Abdul or Ellis is better than the 10 ish games of Mantellato and Campese or the disruptive influence and 20 games that Kelly played (some of which looked like he was wearing a sumo suit)?

Either way Sheens will be key to the success or failure. If he gets us fired up and playing well, those new signings will hopefully be fit, on the field and greater than the sum of their parts.

I remember us playing hull at C.P 2 seasons ago and Ellis and pryce went off injured and I thought to myself at the time 'we will hammer these now',
Abdul come on at stand off and kicked us to death and they beat us

There is no question that Abdul is a talent. Given time and space he will kick most teams to death. His problem is he's inconsistent. If he wasn't, Hull would not be so keen to loan him out.
The reason he's at Rovers this season is not because the black and whites are keen to help us get back into Super League. It's to aid his development.
Tim Sheens knows that and now has 2 players (3 when Marsh is fit) he can drop into the halfs if Abdul or Ellis loose form. Unlike last season when we had to play Blair at six.
How he deals with been dropped will be a good indecation of how his attitude and development have progressed.

It'll be interesting to see how destructive Blair and Greenwod will be this year. Especially without Blair being played out of position every week like last year.

I don't doubt the the talent and potential but I do doubt the commitment, attitude and 'loyalty'. I know the background behind Donny and Fev, and I hope Sheens understands this.

Abdull has bags of talent. Decent hands and a very good kicking game.

Some might say he's inconsistent, but I think that's harsh having watched him quite a lot. The games he's not performed in, he's either been chucked in 'cold' having not played at a decent standard for some time, or he's playing behind a beaten pack.

What I do doubt about him is his commitment as a professional to knuckle down and get himself fit and look after his body properly. I remember writing on the Hull board last season that if an overweight Abdull is playing this well, imagine what a fit Abdull could do.

I think he'll do well next year, and look forward to reading the reports on him.

Can't believe the negativity towards Abdul and yet non towards Ellis. Everything that is being leveled at one could equally be leveled at the other but isn't.

We've be clamouring for a top coach for years and as soon as we get one his judgement is being questioned before a ball has been kicked, well not exactly true as a ball has been kicked and Abdul did well albeit against an inferior opposition.

The lad will be playing for us next year, for god's sake get behind him, IF he doesn'tput a shift in then lest have the debate then as I assume Mr Sheens wont stand for it.

Abdul is at a crucial point in his career, maybe not last chance saloon but it certainly wont do his chances much good if a coach of TS's calibre thinks he's no good. If he does go well and our plans come to fruition and we get back up again then I'm sure there'll be decisions to made all around. Where will he want to be, will we want to keep hold, will FC want him back.... all decisions for another day but give the lad a chance.

Jordan Abdull shared the stage with Tim Sheens at last months 135 club event.

He came across very well, really positive and after encouragement from the audience even declared he is red and white now. Don't forget he was a Rovers junior before he joined Hull FC and he referred a couple of times to having settled in quickly because he already was familiar with the environment.

Tim Sheens actually said 'now we know you're red & white I want to know the name of your best mate at Hull so you can smack him in the friendly'. That got a big laugh but it was clear that Sheens had a very high opinion of Abdull.

Abdull looked very trim and was keen to mingle with the Rovers crowd afterwards. I don't think we need have any concerns about his attitude.

In the recent trial match against Hull he was excellent with 4 try assists. I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that he goes back to Hull next year but either way he's with us for now and giving his best let's support him.

Use Sio like we did the last 2 seasons and I could have replaced him. Time will tell on the outside backs replacing the likes of Thornley. If we can keep our halfs on the pitch and sober they will be a step up. The forwards as a whole look good enough to cover the only real loss in Walker. And as people have said before the best signing by a mile is Sheens.
I can't believe anybody could compare Marsh to Abdul, it has to be down to anti FC blinkers, but I worry he won't get cut any slack by some because if this if his form drops at any time.

Disagree with Thornley. Maybe skillful but appeared disinterested. Also too early to tell about Butler-Fleming (like quite a few of them).

Loved Mantree and was a good player but was lacking in speed. Don-t necessarily disagree on this one though.

Terry Campese is a 'what could have been' if he stayed fit.

The key is that this squad are playing at Championship level and have to be eager to prove they are good enough for SL next year. On that basis, enthusiasm and hard work and not just skill are high factors this season.

I'm struggling to look at the lost players and think i wish we'd kept him, maybe Walker. Kelly would have been great but not with the attitude he had, the rest wont be overly missed, either totally unfit and never played or just average

The big changes I expect to see are increases in enthusiasm and respect. Singing THAT song last year was ironic. We respected neither the opposition nor the ball last year. An increase in both of those along with the squad so far should get us into the mid 8s. Being successful in the mid 8s is another thing entirely which hopefully we'll start to see as the season progresses.

The Little Respect song should of been buried after Wembley in my opinion.

I genuinely can't believe the amount of doubt behind Abdul. The kids decided that he wants game time instead of sat playing in 23's which is above his level. Wants to improve and better him self, And is a pretty handy player. Let's just see how he gets on. Infuriates me why people become scapegoats immediately, let the kid play.

I think the changes in squad, attitude and coaching are welcome but I also think on the terraces there needs to be an attitude adjustment. Any player putting there hand up to play in this league has my upmost respect so we should do our upmost to back them and enjoy it, instead of having negative views on players after one game in which he potentially was man of the match.

For me, some of the initial nervousness around Abdull was the prospect (received with straight-faced stoicism by some) that he'd be paired with Scott Prince. This Pike-and-Godfrey-esque potential combo alarmed me greatly.

With Ellis on board (and now Quinlan too, who can also play stand-off), Abdull looks more young and promising than inexperienced and unproven. He's still a gamble, but most signings are and we're not going to be highly reliant on him. His parent club matters very little to me. When we were rumoured to be looking at one of their props, I was a liitle disdainful of Osbourne, and cool on Matongo, but if it people had been talking about Bowden (unlikely admittedly) that'd have been better than okay.

I want Abdull to do really, really well for us - no caveats or equivocation. Right now he is Hull KR.

There is - a hate Hull FC at all costs - mentality among some Rovers fans irrespective of benefit or situation.

To me, the dark side are just another Rugby League competitor club who present us with an opportunity. For the benefit of doubt here, the key operative words are RUGBY LEAGUE. Yes, same sport as us, same city admittedly, just flesh and blood like you and I. Over the years our DNA has directly transfused into them and vice versa. Always has and always will.

Jordan Abdull is a Hull KR player in 2017 and deserves our respect for the rationale of switching to the Red and White to gain valuable experience and hone his excellent skill set under arguably a better and more experienced coach. If he goes well as I hope he does, I for one would hope he stays. If he goes back to Hull having played his part in getting us back to SL, then it's no big deal either.

If he plays pants, then we can justifiably give him stick. In this scenario, he will be dropped and replaced by others or even a new mid term signing. When, if and until this happens, we should be giving him our unequivocal support and backing to keep on delivering good contributions to our cause. Same to Jamie Ellis, also here on loan.