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| Ken Sio v Adam Quinlan
Iain Thornley v Jake Butler-Fleming
Kieron Dixon v Kieron Moss
Josh Mantellato v Andrew Heffernan
Terry Campese v Jordan Abdull
Albert Kelly v Jamie Ellis
Adam Walker v Nick Scruton
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Obviously positons not entirely the same due to us signing two recognised fullbacks & Ken sio not really playing fullback, Thus leaving Rovers with no outgoing fullback. Still I feel Sio aside our outside backs are a massive step up. Whilst awaiting a few forwards to be announced before the season kicks off I feel our forwards have taken a step back. In the halves Campese not really playing negates the loss of Kelly with two halves coming in.
Fairly even put i think our 2017 squad has alot more points in them.
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| 2016 played against SL defences, this year we will be playing versus mainly part time players. Yep, we will score more points.
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| Hard to say your backs are better when you have never seen one play and another one in only one friendly, won't be able to say until the middle 8's.
One thing I will say your team this year on paper isn't far off last years, if this team is done on 1.2m or so, shows how bad your recruitment was and how good it is this year.
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| Spot on Dave, it's showing what you can get if you don't tie up 1/3 of your cap on 3 players.
However, we are getting way ahead of ourselves as usual.
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| Quote ="SirStan"Spot on Dave, it's showing what you can get if you don't tie up 1/3 of your cap on 3 players.
However, we are getting way ahead of ourselves as usual.'"
Nothing wrong with a bit of optimism, the only down side I would be thinking is that the regular season will be a bit boring.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Nothing wrong with a bit of optimism, the only down side I would be thinking is that the regular season will be a bit boring.'"
I think some home games will be a bit of a precession but I'm really looking forward to life on the road this season. New grounds to visit in Toulouse ( went there in 2013 but TOXIII play at a different ground), Swinton and Oldham, and a few to return to after 10 years. It has to be a one-off though or we are in trouble.
The middle 8's are so important, more than any time in the clubs recent history.
Will you miss us this year?
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| On paper Kelly and campese were the best pairing in the league . Unfortunately they rarely played together. Ellis and kebabdul are steady enough.but would they get a gig together in super league? More than adequate for league campaign but come middle8s and probably mpg I think not enough to win us that game..hope to be proven wrong
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| Stan. You are bang on about us not getting ahead of ourselves. I still feel that a lot of our Championship opposition will seek to step up their intensity and performances against us this year to counter our so-called "favourites" tag.
How we deal with it and respond as a collective on the park will be a measure of our progress as a team from last season when we failed to even deal with the intensity of Oldham in the CC followed by the pressure and intensity of the middle 8s and Mpg when we imploded when it mattered most.
The way I see it we need to avoid complacency, inconsistency, a lack of composure, a lack of belief and conservatism in our game plans to do well in the 2017 regular season.
To get into the 8s and back into SL, we need flair, creativity, patience, intensity, speed and effort week in week out to keep winning.
Winning becomes habitual and a winning streak heading into the 8s will give us a huge confidence boost and the passion and momentum to down a couple of SL sides as well as the 3 Championship sides necessary to get back into SL.
The Sheens factor is the key element in this mix more than the players at this preseason moment.
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| It's a shame Bradford have gone the way they have, even with them in, you would have won the league, but it would have added much more interest and competition to the league
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| Quote ="SirStan"I think some home games will be a bit of a precession but I'm really looking forward to life on the road this season. New grounds to visit in Toulouse ( went there in 2013 but TOXIII play at a different ground), Swinton and Oldham, and a few to return to after 10 years. It has to be a one-off though or we are in trouble.
The middle 8's are so important, more than any time in the clubs recent history.
Will you miss us this year?'"
I'll miss some parts, but never really enjoyed the Derby games, although the last two season have certainly been more enjoyable
I think you have a very good chance of coming back up, think Widnes and maybe Salford are your target teams.
Blackpool will be great.
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| Quote ="craig hkr"On paper Kelly and campese were the best pairing in the league . Unfortunately they rarely played together. Ellis and kebabdul are steady enough.but would they get a gig together in super league? More than adequate for league campaign but come middle8s and probably mpg I think not enough to win us that game..hope to be proven wrong'"
I think Ellis and Abdul will be fine, Ellis is a lower end SL standard and Abdul has the potential to be a top SL player, stronger than Widnes and Leigh's halfs IMO. Think you might lack a cutting edge in your centres and wingers, but I guess that depends on how your. Unknown Aussies go.
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| I'm not convinced by Abdul in half's at all.certainly not at super league level. (If we get back).he's a 13.we have plenty back rowers and about 5 full backs.id rather he get experience elsewhere and have a quality half steering us round.happy to be proved wrong
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| Quote ="craig hkr"I'm not convinced by Abdul in half's at all.certainly not at super league level. (If we get back).he's a 13.we have plenty back rowers and about 5 full backs.id rather he get experience elsewhere and have a quality half steering us round.happy to be proved wrong'"
I think Abdul is ready to step up to be a main half and Ellis has been around long enough and is experienced Dobson was only 19 when he led Wigan to safety
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| Quote ="craig hkr"I'm not convinced by Abdul in half's at all.certainly not at super league level. (If we get back).he's a 13.we have plenty back rowers and about 5 full backs.id rather he get experience elsewhere and have a quality half steering us round.happy to be proved wrong'"
Simalar to Cooke IMO, great hands, but better running game, kicking needs work.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"I think Abdul is ready to step up to be a main half and Ellis has been around long enough and is experienced Dobson was only 19 when he led Wigan to safety'"
Valid points.was this deal done before Sheens arrived?
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Valid points.was this deal done before Sheens arrived?'"
I know Sheens wanted both Abdul and Ellis so he must have seen something in them I think Abdul spat his dummy out last season I think he thought he would be playing a lot more than he did instead he was shipped off to Fev
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| What if we make it back up which I hope we do first attempt, we will then need to look for a new halve back pairing due to both Ellis/Abdul on loan spells with us and wanted back at their parent clubs end of season
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| Quote ="rebelrobin"What if we make it back up which I hope we do first attempt, we will then need to look for a new halve back pairing due to both Ellis/Abdul on loan spells with us and wanted back at their parent clubs end of season'"
I have faith Tim will have a plan....
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| Quote ="Dave K."I think Ellis and Abdul will be fine, Ellis is a lower end SL standard and Abdul has the potential to be a top SL player, stronger than Widnes and Leigh's halfs IMO. Think you might lack a cutting edge in your centres and wingers, but I guess that depends on how your. Unknown Aussies go.'"
There is a reason they are both in the championship, KR are paying Ellis a massive wedge for a 1 year loan deal after Stone said he was free to go, Abdull was on loan at Fev and Ridyard schooled him in every aspect.
The KR team looks very competitive but I don't think Abdull & Ellis are anywhere near Mellor, Drinkwater, Ridyard, Hampshire or Reynolds.
Leigh were offered Ellis & turned him down.
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| I forgot we have other options at hb with Blair/Quinlan. Then moss at fb. Just wondered when Kr go to Tenerife warm weather training is it after Leeds game. Cos I have a feeling shillington maybe there with them by then
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| Quote ="Binosh"There is a reason they are both in the championship, KR are paying Ellis a massive wedge for a 1 year loan deal after Stone said he was free to go, Abdull was on loan at Fev and Ridyard schooled him in every aspect.
The KR team looks very competitive but I don't think Abdull & Ellis are anywhere near Mellor, Drinkwater, Ridyard, Hampshire or Reynolds.
Leigh were offered Ellis & turned him down.'"
Hampshire and Reynolds are both average ridyard looks good let's see how him and drinkwater go in SL because Abdul and Ellis have actually played there
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| For me, Sio is a big if inevitable loss. We'll miss Walker too, and I expect him to go well at Saints.
Despite their talent it was a relief to see the Campese, Kelly and Dixon depart, because of injuries, attitude and unreliability respectively - and budgetary expense it all cases.
The likes of Thornley and Allgood will likely do okay in SL and would have probably have excelled for us in the Championship. But there was a need to move on and to find better value.
I think we've improved our depth, and for the first time in some time have been proactive, rather than waiting to see who is available. I'm still coming to terms with us trying to bridge the gap to other SL packs by signing only Clarkson and Mulhern. Obviously circumstances and needs were different this time around.
With Sheens in charge it feels more coherent and focused on what is important. Chester's innovative pre-season, Webster's interim status and Peacock's long-term focus can be consigned to history.
Ateotd it looks like a superb Championship squad. It should definitely make the middle 8s. With decent depth we should go into those games fresh and with some confidence. To get past even bottom 4 SL teams we'll need to raise our intensity and be more than the sum of our parts. Maybe make a couple more signings, too. A couple of SL teams do look vulnerable though.
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| IMO:
Ken Sio > Adam Quinlan
Iain Thornley > Jake Butler-Fleming
Kieron Dixon = Kieron Moss
Josh Mantellato > Andrew Heffernan
Terry Campese > Jordan Abdull
Albert Kelly > Jamie Ellis
Adam Walker > Nick Scruton
Dane Tilse < Mitch Clark
John Boubebza v ???
James Green > George Milton
Kevin Larroyer v ???
Mitch Allgood = Danny Addy
James Webster < Tim Sheens
Does look like a very good squad for the Championship though. Crunch time will be at the end of the season, IMO the halves aren't good enough to get us promoted and we'll need more grunt in the pack.
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| Quote ="rebelrobin"I forgot we have other options at hb with Blair/Quinlan. Then moss at fb. Just wondered when Kr go to Tenerife warm weather training is it after Leeds game. Cos I have a feeling shillington maybe there with them by then'"
According to '5th Tackle', Sheens has talked Shillington out of retiring, but there have been so many names mentioned by Sheens - Shillington, Hala, Page - I've given up speculating. IMO any one of these three would go well in the Championship.
I believe Rovers fly to warm weather training after Ryan Hall's testimonial.
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| Quote ="rebelrobin"I forgot we have other options at hb with Blair/Quinlan. Then moss at fb. Just wondered when Kr go to Tenerife warm weather training is it after Leeds game. Cos I have a feeling shillington maybe there with them by then'"
I think I read somewhere that Shillington has retired
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