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| Quote ="Roverswall"Also lets not forget that all players are diffrent.
Some react best to a good bawling out after a mistake where as others need the big brother arm across the shoulders reaction.
Now if Craig needs the second reaction but he is getting the first one he is always going to go into his shell after getting bawled out.'"
Think they have tried everything with Craig, he just seems to be a sensitive lad who lets his head go down when he makes an error, he has to become tougher mentally if he is to succeed.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Think they have tried everything with Craig, he just seems to be a sensitive lad who lets his head go down when he makes an error, he has to become tougher mentally if he is to succeed.'" Looking from the outside Paul it did seem that for a time it was a case that if there was a problem Agar palmed it on Craig if he could I would imagine that has to have an effect after a time.
Then add to the fact that He (Craig) must have know that the slightenst thing and a fair few fans would be at him would add to his worries.
Maybe he does need to be a bit mentally tougher but come on Paul if you knew you were going to get unfair stick everytime you made a simple mistake how would you react?
And lets be honest Paul he did recive stick for things that would go completly unnoticed if done by other players.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Looking from the outside Paul it did seem that for a time it was a case that if there was a problem Agar palmed it on Craig if he could I would imagine that has to have an effect after a time.
Then add to the fact that He (Craig) must have know that the slightenst thing and a fair few fans would be at him would add to his worries.
Maybe he does need to be a bit mentally tougher but come on Paul if you knew you were going to get unfair stick everytime you made a simple mistake how would you react?
And lets be honest Paul he did recive stick for things that would go completly unnoticed if done by other players.'"
What stick did he get? He never got chanted at or booed, I don't know where all this stick came from?
Unless you mean 20/30 comments on here, well if that bothers him it really proves my point.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"What stick did he get? He never got chanted at or booed, I don't know where all this stick came from?
Unless you mean 20/30 comments on here, well if that bothers him it really proves my point.'" Maybe so.
I would imagine only time will tell if it was Craig or his enviroment that was his issue.
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| I for one am ecstatic about this signing.
I truly believe craig has masses of ability und under a new coach can realise his potential.
And I totally buy the whole confidence thing we have guys at work and no doubt the rest of you do who half of them need a good kick up the when they mess up and the other half need an arm around them telling them they will do better next time.
I believe this is where good man management comes in and I believe Morgan has this in ubbundance and that agar has none
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Dont rule out Wheeldon being retained just yet.'"
Sorry i forgot id posted that
Hall will be a quality addition, better decision making from him. and being stronger in the collison when defending and its a great signing.
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| Quote ="chukabutt"I for one am ecstatic about this signing.
I truly believe craig has masses of ability und under a new coach can realise his potential.
And I totally buy the whole confidence thing we have guys at work and no doubt the rest of you do who half of them need a good kick up the booty when they mess up and the other half need an arm around them telling them they will do better next time.
I believe this is where good man management comes in and I believe Morgan has this in ubbundance and that agar has none'" You could have just quoted me and saved yourself a lot of time.
I suppose I should be honored
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| Quote ="rover49"Two seasons ago I would have paid him to leave, but he has really improved in his defence work and puts in some massive hits when defending his line. He isn't as quick as Hall, but I think his brain is quicker and he reads the game around our kick attack moves very well. You may relish Hall being our centre, but Welhams defence is now very good, which is maybe what Morgan is aiming to do with Hall, if he can get him defending like Welham does, he will be an asset to us with his pace and attacking skills.
I am still to be convinced about Hall, but he is here now and I am confident he will be receiving a far higher standard of coaching and conditioning at Rovers, so if he cannot do it here, he won't do it anywhere.'"
I agree with most of that
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| I'm really pleased Hall has signed because besides wanting to see my team win, I like to be entertained by watching quality attacking players with flair and pace and Hall certainly has these qualities regardless of his perceived frailties.
Hall has stated in the HDM that he's grateful to Richard Agar and Andy Last etc. but he surely must have doubted whether Agar and co. really had the knowledge or tools get get the best of a player like him and I'm sure he'll have far more trust and confidence under better guidance of a quality coach like JM.
If he gets a chance in the left centre, that would mean he'd be playing inside Willie Mason where he could be really useful feeding of Mason breaking the line/offloads etc.
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| i feel given time the coaching staff will get the best out of craig he does need to work on his defence. but a lot of fans know that, as does craig. I wish him well. im hoping blake green visa will come and i suspect another singing as justin said four or five to come?
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| Quote ="General Zod."I'm really pleased Hall has signed because besides wanting to see my team win, I like to be entertained by watching quality attacking players with flair and pace and Hall certainly has these qualities regardless of his perceived frailties.
Hall has stated in the HDM that he's grateful to Richard Agar and Andy Last etc. but he surely must have doubted whether Agar and co. really had the knowledge or tools get get the best of a player like him and I'm sure he'll have far more trust and confidence under better guidance of a quality coach like JM.
[uIf he gets a chance in the left centre, that would mean he'd be playing inside Willie Mason where he could be really useful feeding of Mason breaking the line/offloads etc.[/u'"
A mouth watering prospect.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Maybe so.
I would imagine only time will tell if it was Craig or his enviroment that was his issue.'"
You've made up a situation / excuse that doesn't exist with this "stick" you keep going on about.
Craig Hall, to my memory has always been supported by Hull FC fans. In fact, I think if there has ever been any frustration it is that he is simply not living up to his potential - and hasn't season on season, unlike players like Briscoe, Houghton etc. But I've never heard him in boo-ed or anything like that, well other than the odd individual idiot. You'll get a "groan" whenever a player makes a mistake in a good attacking position (which unfortunately Hall does a lot), but that is certainly not unique to either Hall or Hull FC - and if that is effecting him, well it illustrates the point about confidence quite clearly.
As much as it pains me to say it, Morgan is a better coach than Agar. Hall has been a "nearly" player for quite a few seasons. I'm hopeful for the lad that this is a good move for him and that he goes on to be the player I think he could be.
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| Quote ="Bal"You've made up a situation / excuse that doesn't exist with this "stick" you keep going on about.
Craig Hall, to my memory has always been supported by Hull FC fans. In fact, I think if there has ever been any frustration it is that he is simply not living up to his potential - and hasn't season on season, unlike players like Briscoe, Houghton etc. But I've never heard him in boo-ed or anything like that, well other than the odd individual idiot. You'll get a "groan" whenever a player makes a mistake in a good attacking position (which unfortunately Hall does a lot), but that is certainly not unique to either Hall or Hull FC - and if that is effecting him, well it illustrates the point about confidence quite clearly.
As much as it pains me to say it, Morgan is a better coach than Agar. Hall has been a "nearly" player for quite a few seasons. I'm hopeful for the lad that this is a good move for him and that he goes on to be the player I think he could be.'" Please point out the part where I said the FANS gave him stick?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"What stick did he get? He never got chanted at or booed, I don't know where all this stick came from?
Unless you mean 20/30 comments on here, well if that bothers him it really proves my point.'"
Spot on Paul. He was never singled out by the fans for stick it's a complete myth. I like Craig and hope he becomes a success at Rovers, I just don't see it happening, his decision making is poor and he can't shrug off the errors which just causes him to make even more. I don't think he deals with pressure well at all.
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| Did seem that there was a Craig Hall thread after every other defeat that he played in.
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| Quote ="Big Dave HKR"Did seem that there was a Craig Hall thread after every other defeat that he played in.'"
Most players get a thread if they have had a poor game or a good game. It's what the forum is for, discussing the team and players. I don't think Craig ever got any unfair criticism and I don't recall him ever being blamed for a defeat by anyone. He also had threads praising him when he played well.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Most players get a thread if they have had a poor game or a good game. It's what the forum is for, discussing the team and players.=#0080FF I don't think Craig ever got any unfair criticism and I don't recall him ever being blamed for a defeat by anyone. He also had threads praising him when he played well.'"
I'd say you're wrong on both counts TBH.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Please point out the part where I said the FANS gave him stick?'"
I can tell you now, there is no problem between Hall and the coaching staff other than the usual performance assessments, which on occasion will quite rightly have been critical. I gather he has got vocal in his upset in the past. But ask any fan, of any club if they mind their coaching staff giving players a kick up the backside once in a while - and my god, does Hall need it.
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Quote ="Kosh"I'd say you're wrong on both counts TBH.'"
Indeed Kosh viewtopic.php?f=34&t=453477&hilit=craig+hall
Quote ="Kosh"I really hope Craig leaves at the end of the season and finds a club with a coach who knows how to use him and fans who aren't obsessed with pinning team failures on individual players.'"
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Quote ="Kosh"I really hope Craig leaves at the end of the season and finds a club with a coach who knows how to use him and fans who aren't obsessed with pinning team failures on individual players.'"
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Firstly, that thread is common across all boards when a player has had a bad game. Its certainly not a victimisation like some are suggesting.
Secondly, that's got to be a worrying thread to read if your a Hull KR fan.
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Firstly, that thread is common across all boards when a player has had a bad game. Its certainly not a victimisation like some are suggesting.
Secondly, that's got to be a worrying thread to read if your a Hull KR fan.
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| Quote ="Bal"Firstly, that thread is common across all boards when a player has had a bad game. Its certainly not a victimisation like some are suggesting.
Secondly, that's got to be a worrying thread to read if your a Hull KR fan.'"
Think alot of fans think Hall is a good signing and there are a few fans that think it's a bad one. I'm in the middle. I'll support Craig Hall 100% whilst he wears the shirt of Hull KR but i'm undecided on who the signing will pan out. All will be reveiled in 12 months I'm sure..
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Most players get a thread if they have had a poor game or a good game. It's what the forum is for, discussing the team and players. I don't think Craig ever got any unfair criticism and I don't recall him ever being blamed for a defeat by anyone. He also had threads praising him when he played well.'"
Like I said if he gets upset by a thread on the internet then he should not be playing professional sport.
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| Quote ="Bal"I can tell you now, there is no problem between Hall and the coaching staff other than the usual performance assessments, which on occasion will quite rightly have been critical. I gather he has got vocal in his upset in the past. But ask any fan, of any club if they mind their coaching staff giving players a kick up the backside once in a while - and my god, does Hall need it.'" Clearly this is that case.
I mean Agar went through a phase where he went out of his way to slate Yeaman and Horne as examples like he did Hall.........................Oh wait no he didn't.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Clearly this is that case.
I mean Agar went through a phase where he went out of his way to slate Yeaman and Horne as examples like he did Hall.........................Oh wait no he didn't.'"
Pick a straw, any straw.
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| Quote ="Bal"Pick a straw, any straw.
'" And you keep turning that blind eye.
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