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Quote ="Mild Rover"www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_club?season=2012&stat=missed_tackles&hs1=2012&hp1=500&hs2=2012&hp2=500
Missing 30 a game as a team. Nigh on one every defensive set.
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www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 12&hp2=500'"
Comparing last year's team stats to this, is a bit misleading. Given our change from compressed down the middle tactics last year to this years, more spread approach. None the less, we conceded too many soft tries last year and are conceding too many soft tries this year - so neither approach worked/working.
I guess we need to work more on Plan C which should involve looking after possession better and have more control of the games. Under JM we did this very effectively and a lot of the times, we saw games out when we were in winning positions in the second stevo stanza. We ground teams down if you like. Under CS we do look like we're trying to score from every attacking opportunity and force unnecessary plays. Maybe if we adopt JM's favourite "build the frepping pressure" approach, we can get more control during these tight games and hopefully see them out better. |
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Quote ="Mild Rover"www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_club?season=2012&stat=missed_tackles&hs1=2012&hp1=500&hs2=2012&hp2=500
Missing 30 a game as a team. Nigh on one every defensive set.
Last year for comparison:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 12&hp2=500'"
Comparing last year's team stats to this, is a bit misleading. Given our change from compressed down the middle tactics last year to this years, more spread approach. None the less, we conceded too many soft tries last year and are conceding too many soft tries this year - so neither approach worked/working.
I guess we need to work more on Plan C which should involve looking after possession better and have more control of the games. Under JM we did this very effectively and a lot of the times, we saw games out when we were in winning positions in the second stevo stanza. We ground teams down if you like. Under CS we do look like we're trying to score from every attacking opportunity and force unnecessary plays. Maybe if we adopt JM's favourite "build the frepping pressure" approach, we can get more control during these tight games and hopefully see them out better. | |
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You can't win if you can't tackle, I'm pretty sure we were high up in the missed tackles last season too. Maybe our players just have bad tackling technique.
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What's defence?
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Something AS takes plenty of pictures of
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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"Something AS takes plenty of pictures of'"
No, that's debins. |
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I used to live next door to a jamaican and we used to regularly chat over defence
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| Quote ="HKR Smithy"Missed tackles cost points. Yes he makes a lot, but if he makes 30 and misses the one that costs us a game winning try.. Obviously everybody misses tackles, but i dont think that making more gives you more of a right to miss them than anyone else. If he's missing them because of fatigue due to the defence he is being asked to do then the coach is partly to blame as well as he shouldnt be playing the full 80 as what is effectively a defensive workhorse if he is missing a lot of tackles. Either give him a break, or give someone else his defensive role for a period of the game to even it up'"
to be fair lovegrove made as many tackles as 8 members of the team put together if your looking for someone to blame look no further than welham a massive liability he lets in a lot more than he scores |
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"What's defence?'"
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Who supplies these stats? Defence needs a lot of work admittedly but 7 in the top 20 missed tackles? Widnes have 2 of the top 20, Cas 0, Salford 1 & Bradford 2, all have let in more points than we have...& 8 assists for Dobson? Was that just vs Huddersfield? I'd read these with a large pinch of salt.
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| Quote ="Wildmoose"Who supplies these stats? Defence needs a lot of work admittedly but 7 in the top 20 missed tackles? Widnes have 2 of the top 20, Cas 0, Salford 1 & Bradford 2, all let in more points than we have...& 8 assists for Dobson? Was that just vs Huddersfield? I'd read these with a large pinch of salt.'"
Maybe they reflect the fact you are 10th in the league ?... just a thought like  |
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"to be fair lovegrove made as many tackles as 8 members of the team put together if your looking for someone to blame look no further than welham a massive liability he lets in a lot more than he scores'"
Im not looking to blame anyone, collectively our defence is poor i was just commenting on what you said. I rate Lovegrove and we should be looking to offer him a new deal sharpish! And im not getting into the Welham debate |
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Prior to the arrival of Sandercock, our defence was poor, albeit in a different sense. Our lads are now learning new structures and added to that there are players missing that'll have been worked into the structures in pre-season, this hinders training somewhat in the sense that numbers are lower and it's much harder to try out routines and structures without the correct numbers at training. Given time I'm sure Sandy'll have the lads doing what he wants and we'll all have to be patient and wait for the tree bearing fruit.
We're growing a Sandercock Tree and the Cock fruit tastes good.
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| Quote ="dum-dum"Prior to the arrival of Sandercock, our defence was poor, albeit in a different sense. Our lads are now learning new structures and added to that there are players missing that'll have been worked into the structures in pre-season, this hinders training somewhat in the sense that numbers are lower and it's much harder to try out routines and structures without the correct numbers at training. Given time I'm sure Sandy'll have the lads doing what he wants and we'll all have to be patient and wait for the tree bearing fruit.
We're growing a Sandercock Tree and the Cock fruit tastes good.'"
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| Quote ="dum-dum"Prior to the arrival of Sandercock, our defence was poor, albeit in a different sense. Our lads are now learning new structures and added to that there are players missing that'll have been worked into the structures in pre-season, this hinders training somewhat in the sense that numbers are lower and it's much harder to try out routines and structures without the correct numbers at training. Given time I'm sure Sandy'll have the lads doing what he wants and we'll all have to be patient and wait for the tree bearing fruit.
We're growing a Sandercock Tree and the Cock fruit tastes good.'"
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| Quote ="bishops finger"That last part worries me, you really should think before saying things like that.
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Think once we get galea back Hel tighten up our defence just wish we had 3 of him on the pitch at the same time now there's an idea why don't we clone him
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Metaphor, I quite liked it.
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Defensive structures are a million times better then last season as we aren't seeing the massive gaps on the fringes. The problem is missed tackles with teams just rolling over us.
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| Quote ="Easty"=#FF0000Defensive structures are a million times better then last season as we aren't seeing the massive gaps on the fringes. The problem is missed tackles with teams just rolling over us.'"
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I think the problem is the massive gaps right across the line,our 1on1 tackling isn't good enough to spread out like we are.
Over time we'll either improve at it, or we'll revert back to a compressed, sliding defence. I reckon when we get all the first teamers that are currently injured back into training we will see an improvement right across the squad.
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| Quote ="dum-dum"I think the problem is the massive gaps right across the line,our 1on1 tackling isn't good enough to spread out like we are.
Over time we'll either improve at it, or we'll revert back to a compressed, sliding defence. I reckon when we get all the first teamers that are currently injured back into training we will see an improvement right across the squad.'" So which first teamers will actually be missing for the derby? |
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Hull to win, by 10/16.
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Where are the huge gaping holes we used to see in every game last season? Instead of teams running through holes in our defense teams are running over and skipping round defenders. Sandercock has got his structures correct but he needs to get these players tackling or replace them with players that can. |
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Were still getting sucked in like we were last season, teams get through us AND outside of us far too easily, the top teams don't miss many tackles because they very rarely tackle 1 on 1.
I think CS has inherited a squad full of poor tacklers
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| Quote ="fcimp"So which first teamers will actually be missing for the derby?'"
Green, Webster, O'Hara, Clinton & Galea. |
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