After watching the game against salford, i am worried about our kicking game.The kicks to touch are atrocious, only gaining 10 metres at most.If we could get 40 yards we could take so much pressure off ourselves.My mum could kick furthur than webster.

It is also a concern who will kick the goals, and in tight games could be vital. Hopefully it will improve, as players must realise that 40 yards could mean 3 tackles of work.

Same for few seasons yet we have Webster kicking 10m however whenever Thacks takes them gets at least 20+ :/

Same when had Myler & Jules! Oh and one is playing top class Union now!

To be honest i feel like me been a kicking coach and show webster how to do it.I used to be a good kicker,and it frustrates me to see no technique in the kicks.A good follow through and long leg follow through helps.

Am sure Tommy Martyn can do a job on them

I just can't believe none of them can kick more than 20metres, they're proffesionals. i'm sure some must have a boot on them, gannons frustration kick after the knock on got us atleast 40 yards, and landed in the ingoal, maybe he should get the job?

Somebody might have forgot to pump the balls up?

It's a confidence thing, no one wants to look like a fool by not finding touch, so we get conservative kicks.

Think is you'd expect conservative to be at least 20m! When you look at the likes of Long yes they may miss 4/5 a season but the fact most others get around 40m i'd say it's worth it as they really make a diiference from clearing your lines to attacking posistions whereas we don't seem to up the anti when penalties conceded by other sides, in effect making them less costly!

To be honest I don't think that Webster and Thackeray are great kickers in general. They're good in other ways but tactical kicking isn't one of them. Obviously the club have identified that hence getting some help in with kicking.

I think this has been a problem for a while and it's one of the things that really does my head in...
We get a penalty in our own half and struggle to benefit from it..
other teams really seem to be able to relieve the pressure or put the pressure on us with some good ranging kicks. Surely it's not that hard to kick a ball 20 - 30 yards (hopefully the latter).
I remember Bobby Goulding tonking the ball a good 50 - 60 yards at Wilderspool which led to a try in the next set.

The other really irritating thing that we seem to do to an alarming rate is not kick whatsoever and just take the tap!!! ggaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

I can see the logic in it sometimes. It can be better to get a couple of drives in and built an attack, it's sometimes difficult to get an attack going if the defence are on their own line. Many times I've seen teams aimlessly throwing the ball around on the opposition line expecting gaps to just appear because they're quite close to the line.

I know it wasn't a great distance that he was getting but I seem to recall him kicking further last season.

I think there is something in what asterix says. I think Webster was making sure he got touch as we were starved of possession and wanted to ensure we got ball in hand time.

Johnny Davies used to put them into Sinclair Avenue.. Perhaps if the players aimed for that it would help??

I agree, seeing that time after time is one of the stupidest tactics I've ever seen. There we are struggling to make yards with a weak pack - we get the penalty on half way or on their 40 and you think "great, we'll put it into touch 20 out and we could be in here" What do we? We tap and spend the 1st 4 tackles trying to even get anywhere near the opposition line. All you can do is watch in amazement and shake your head as try not to tear your hair out.



IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN!!!!!!!

I'll say now what I say every time we do that..

TAKE THE EASY YARDS WIDNES...

Easy yards and the work effort is taken away if can boot 30 or 40 metres?Means 3 tackles of work.

If want to be good,then we need a better kicking game.

Kicking is vital to the game. The amount of times I've seen us fail for the lack of a good kicker makes me a little worried for the new season. You can either pin them back on the fifth tackle with a good kick or let them get right back on you, and the whole pressure of the game depends on that. Also, conversions and penalty conversions make up over a third of your points. We've won because of kickers, we've lost because of them. It's like having a dynamite midfield in football and a bad lone striker.

Chris i worry about it as could be vital in big games that are close.Missing 4 out of 7 kicks could be fatal.Maybe the widnes coaches are reading this and the trust site.Wish i could go on the pitch just to kick to touch and goal kicks.

I do as well, for the other team. Even if I tried my hardest they'd be in massive trouble.

And this from a club that has such a rich history of 100% goal takers..

Gary Connolly, Anthony Farrell, Jason Demetriou (these last two in the same season and I'm sure there was someone else kicking 100% that game).

Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"And this from a club that has such a rich history of 100% goal takers.. Gary Connolly, Anthony Farrell, Jason Demetriou (these last two in the same season and I'm sure there was someone else kicking 100% that game).'" In one of Barrie McDermott's last few games for us didn't he take a kick from in front of the posts? ** EDIT ** Just found it www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ax_34.html

Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"And this from a club that has such a rich history of 100% goal takers.. Gary Connolly, Anthony Farrell, Jason Demetriou (these last two in the same season and I'm sure there was someone else kicking 100% that game).'" In one of Barrie McDermott's last few games for us didn't he take a kick from in front of the posts? ** EDIT ** Just found it www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ax_34.html