Well with the season now well and truly gone west for one reason or another, what do us as supporters feel should be concerntrated on til the season end ?

I like the idea of blooding youth but throwing them in for the sake of it will do no good for me especially if they lose every week. I think the time is right to give Litten a regular gig every week, is maybe consider giving the new prop a few games. Try different starting prop options as putting all the youngsters on at once is not working. Give griffin a chance at second row when he returns.

Put Litten in every week for me. Even if he only does 20 minutes each game. Need to see what he can offer when given a continuous run in the team.

The title of this thread “Moving Forward”.
That seems to be the problem. Attack and ball movement is our problem. Slow and laboured passing. Is it time for an attack Coach to help out ?
Our “biff and bash” style is not working like previous seasons .

First of all be satisfied we can't mathematically be in the Middle 8s, not sure this is the case yet? Would be a nightmare with Leeds, Toronto etc in there.
Then:
Stick the kids in
Get the ops done early
Get on the sun loungers
Back in early for pre season.

Ive said it numerous times already tonight but until the pack start dominating very little will change. Sneyd will make a massive difference but only if the pack play there part.

defo have litten in the 17, why not try bienek on the bench? must have more grunt than fash and downs and lane, hows Osborne doing at Donny?

Unfortunately Osborne seems to be a bit of a tampon.....in one week then out for 3. I agree though, get Litten in the side

Radfords alreadys said he wont play this season dopey.Littens shown nothing. Washy is a miles better stand in hooker the Litten so that tells you a lot

Radical - ship out the whole coaching set up and bring in someone of highest caliber at the end of the season
Name a stand after Lee but time to move on
Freshen the whole thing up
We’ve seen the same style of Bulls based rugby for the last 4.5 years

I think we are putting too much faith in Litten.I hope he makes it but there are better young hookers out there.
Danny Walker at Widnes is only 18 and miles ahead of Litten.
We do need however some competition for Houghton.

I dont think Adam Pearson will go that far but i am reliably informed he is far from happy after tonight.
Expect some player movement in and out irrespective of what Radford has said.
Wouldnt it be great watching a Hull team play like St Helens.
It didnt happen under Cunningham and it wouldnt happen under Radford as i dont think either has the ability to change and adopt that style of play

Was he carrying a knock tonight? scored a try but seemed very quiet compared to his usual high standards.

Too late to change for next season, the squad is already picked.

Development of the academy to 1st XVII standard isn't good enough, not even close, mental strength/fortitude varies too frequently, basic skills vary too frequently, discipline varies too frequently, attacking and defending ability differs too frequently - well, except in attack in the 20 zone because mostly we're not very good/clueless.

Basically, the coach isn't good enough, the team/club won't move forward with Radford in charge as things stand.
IMHO we have a very good 1st XVII BUT it's not coached as well as it could be.

I'd say be prepared for a few seasons of 'nearly' or transition whichever you prefer before we can move forward.

hull are 3 behind us with 10 games to go and you play us in that time. 4th is still alive. You've had an abundance of injuries this year and done well. However, with having a young squad out there will bring inconsistencies.

you don't like Lee, we get it, change the blumin record, why don:t you coach the team?

If Bumpy doesn’t like Lee why should he have to change the record ??
That’s communism mate
If we were all the same we’d be robots

In the last 4.5 years we’ve been truly awful at times and beautifully won 2 x CCs

Moving Forward as per the Thread :

In the next 5 years what is enough success ?

2 GF wins
2 CC wins

That’s success to me

Is Lee Radford and Andy Last the coaching set up to deliver this ? A 60% chance ?

I propose a clean sweep and a higher caliber coach and asst to meet the above goals

Name a Stand after Lee for the Cup wins and give him until the end of the Season to change my mind on this topic

Getting rid of Lee and the staff wouldn't solve anything. I'm amazed at the amount of people not pointing the finger at an under performing pack or Danny Houghton. There lack of go forward and defence cant be coached into them, they have to want to do it. I dont buy its a coaches job to motivate either, these guys are full time professionals.

Not replacing Watts was a mistake but in the long run Masi will benefit from it. Fash on the other hand doesnt cut it for me.

Amazing thread. My favourite suggestions are that you don’t worry about results and focus on next year and that you have a clear out of the coaching staff.
Both excellent ideas, as there’s no danger that further loss of momentum could damage your long-term prospects, and what top calibre coach wouldn’t choose a club where the first slight wobble after two trophies in two years, leads to your firing?



I know you value precise use of language, amenable to simple, literal interpretation, so just to note - no it isn’t and no we wouldn’t.

We have the third best attack in the league.

Try and develop our style more, I feel now we have some real threats out wide, but we persist on playing the forwards game, I'm fed up with us driving the ball in on the 4th tackle near the positions line.

Play our strongest team until we know we can't make the 4, once it's gone, more game time to young players, but start them rather than bringing them all on together.

I think we will finish 5th this year and when you look at injuries that's probably about right.

If possible I'll do all we can to bring in another top forward, but with no non fed places and SC issues I don't see this happening.

Over reactions across the board !

Mathematically we're not out of the hunt for top four so each week we play the strongest possible 17 until the maths say different. We've won back to back cups and had a fatigue affected play off campaign last year. Injury problems this year have taken their toll. I don't think replacing the coaches will help in the long run, we enter another period of transition and upset ? Not for me thanks.

=#FF0000Can you not make a comment without resorting to name calling?? No need.

I've said for the last few years that we'd benefit from having someone like Cooke come in to give us an attacking flare as that's where we struggle IMO.

Agreed (although I wouldn't want Crooke) SL is boring because it's primarily coached by forwards, Sky encouraged terms like "the wrestle" "the collision" and that is where it has gone. As much as I hated them at the time, where are the Gregory's, Edwards, Hanley in the SL. There is simply little craft left in SL, McGuire, Burrow, going back even further,Kemble, Millward

attack seems to be almost coached out of players