On show on Friday night according to the doc. Waste of money? Inaccurate figures? Let's have some wild speculation on salaries. Still twice as much as wigan if wane is to be believed

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And were the sheet holders members on this board?

Haha big tom Radford stood in front of the banner!

The 800K is probably Millers wages

Here's a question

We have had 5 Coaches in 9 years, during that time how many half backs have we had?

So using the Doc's criteria of sticking with a set instead of replacing what isn't working we should maybe stick with Rankin and Miller?

Maybe it is the coaching set up that need rethinking, Radford is not the finished article so a sensible strategy would be to surround himself with a backroom team that have strengths in the areas where he is weakest. It would require some self belief in his own ability however, will improve the performance of the team and his tenure as first team coach.

Head,Horne,Dykes,Lee,Washbrook,Seymour,Miller,Rankin,Cooke,Thackeray,Brough,Thorman,Abdull,Webster,Long anymore that's 15.

Interesting points by the Doc. We'll never all fully agree whether we should stick with Radford or not. Radford could come good for all we know. That turnover of coaches that Doc mentions is shocking so we do need to stick with a coach in order to achieve the long-term success. But it must be the right coach. Is Radford that man? I personally don't think so. And again the Doc is right when he says that we must review how we recruit coaches should Radford be shown the door.



I can see where he is coming from here and I think we can all agree that a long term strategy sounds brilliant in theory. But what he fails to mention is that we've been waiting for signs of success since the dizzy heights of 2006 when Sharp got us to Old Trafford. I think the fans are fast running out of patience. I know I certainly am and I don't think I'm alone.



Nice ideal but shouldn't be done at the expense of first team performances.



He should only get the time if there are signs that his strategies are working. I haven't seen much evidence of this myself.



I think most people expected a defeat against Wigan. But a bit of pride, passion and effort should be in evidence whether you have £800,000 worth of talent on the field or £1.6M. Are we getting that?



Not sure about Talanoa but agree with the rest for the most part.



Agreed but there should be signs that we're moving in the right direction.



Gentle also gave youngsters a chance. And he got us more points and a higher place in the table.



The negatives far outweigh the positives for me. I really would love us to get to Leeds or Wigan's level and I am aware that that will take time but we'll only ever achieve that with the right man in charge. Based on this season I don't believe that man is Radford.

Ellis and Holdsworth. Plus I believe Whiting and Westy have played there too.

Good post and good you make valid points instead of just get rid posts.

It's amazing how quickly he can get through it mind now he's spending a lot of time down Thorne Road in Donny.

Thought of another one: Danny Nicklas.

Nevermind, we'll mould a team around Pryce, afterall he'll be here 7/8 years

Ryan McGoldrick and Sam Obst also.
Would you also count Heremaia? Signed as a hooker but played hell of a lot in the halves.
I think Berrigan also played in the halves for a couple of games?
Did we ever play Jordan Turner at 6?

Did Craig Hall ever play at stand off for you?

I certainly remember him playing stand of against Wakefield away once.

So what we are now saying is that after doc's article,radford is doing the best job possible,with the players weve got.
Well if that is the case,perhaps somebody can explain why his signings have been poor,sneyd possibly an exception,the team is playing without any pride or passion,wakefields squad is not a patch on ours yet even under agar and now webster they have taken 3 points out of 4 against us and we look sure to finish below them.With the odd exception the displays this season have been dire,and iam afraid if we are going to settle for mediocrity,which it appears we are,my money can be spent on a bit more value for money than we currently are.

That's not what we are saying at all.

Years before. His natural position and a very good player when put there. Unfortunately some nob-head thought he was a fullback and almost ended his career. Until he went to Rovers and they finished the job.

Brilliant.

Good.

Cant remember which thread you are all on about "are we under or over cap"

Dont forget pre season AP said we have £200k off cap which is legit.

This did include Tom Biggs, (now should we have hung on for him in the current dire mess we are in), was he [idirectly[/i replaced?, as i believe Sa would not have the same off cap status?

I agree with some of docs points about youth policy and building a team over time but I don't agree with him when he says about the thirst for immediate success, sure some fans want us to be making finals every year but I think most fans just want to see the team improve year on year and be challenging to make those finals, like someone eluded to earlier in the thread we've been waiting for some continued success since 2005/06 so to say we want immediate success is abit out of order I think, I think our fans have been pretty patient and now it's starting to wear abit thin.

Also I wonder if people like doc who are saying give him time would they be so patient about the situation if radford wasn't a hull lad, a lot of people were quick to jump on gentles back after the hudds playoff defeat, I don't see why it should be any different with radford.

Strikes me that Murdoch is Radfords' mate... as you say, we don't want "instant" success, Pearson said we'd "never be embarrassed again", well, we have been, a couple of times!

It's obvious that there is a big rebuilding job to be done at the club and continuity is important but the problem is pearson hasn't brought in a master builder, he's brought in the apprentice we've had kicking around for a couple of years. I've said since before agar was appointed that the rebuilding job at the club is too big for an inexperienced coach and no surprise that the last 3 coaches have struggled as they don't have what is required to do it. radford should be making his mistakes and learning the role at a lower division club, not one of the best supported clubs in the country

Is it the coaches job to build a whole structure with the club? People like Waites at Catalan are brought in to do that role?