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That would mean we only have one game over the Easter period 
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Time to draw a line under this "experiment" once and for all.
There's been far too much money wasted on them. If they are to restart, do it with grass-roots, not tired old Aussies and huge earners. Lets face it, they've had to exist on away support which, more often than not, outnumbers the home fans.
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| Quote ="Diablo1967"Time to draw a line under this "experiment" once and for all.
There's been far too much money wasted on them. If they are to restart, do it with grass-roots, not tired old Aussies and huge earners. Lets face it, they've had to exist on away support which, more often than not, outnumbers the home fans.
A Cumbrian team deserves a chance now.'"
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which cumbrian team would take the step up and where would they get the finances from?
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Obvious this was going to happen, should have been resolved at end of last season which could of allowed time for a Championship club to step in. Featherstone have been vocal that they were prepared to replace London if this scenario happened, but not sure how it would work with Fev or any other club, would they be prepared to step in when in all likelihood they would face immediate relegation?
Don't suppose the clubs will be too bothered as they will get a bigger slice of the Sky money, but for fans this would devalue the season pass if we lose a home game.
13 teams works in SL with a by for each club on their home and away fixtures but it cocks up Magic W/End which can't work with 13 teams
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan" The RFL should use this next season to let a team each week have the weekly round off as they do in the NRL.'"
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| Quote ="Gerrum on side ref"Obvious this was going to happen, should have been resolved at end of last season which could of allowed time for a Championship club to step in. Featherstone have been vocal that they were prepared to replace London if this scenario happened, but not sure how it would work with Fev or any other club, would they be prepared to step in when in all likelihood they would face immediate relegation?
Don't suppose the clubs will be too bothered as they will get a bigger slice of the Sky money, but for fans this would devalue the season pass if we lose a home game.
13 teams works in SL with a by for each club on their home and away fixtures but it cocks up Magic W/End which can't work with 13 teams'"
Well you just give Catalans no fixture for magic weekend they dont hardly have any away fans anyway and just have 3 games each day. London waited for there fixtures to be given before going into administration it was always on the cards its a farce really. imho |
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Well you just give Catalans no fixture for magic weekend they dont hardly have any away fans anyway and just have 3 games each day. London waited for there fixtures to be given before going into administration it was always on the cards its a farce really. imho'"
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Oh Dear nothing we didn't expect but it looks like they will be looking for another RL bail out to me, its hard anyway without this, to understand how they can manage with hardly any players.
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A Cumbrian team deserves a chance now.'"
Yes because the Cumbrian clubs are so well managed and get such fantastic support.
There seems to be more support for a Cumbrian club in Superleague from uoutside of Cumbria than actually attend matches in Cumbria. Whitehaven was hardly a roaring success when they were in the top flight and things seem to have gone downhill since then |
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Oh Dear nothing we didn't expect but it looks like they will be looking for another RL bail out to me, its hard anyway without this, to understand how they can manage with hardly any players.
www.newsnow.co.uk/A/680668653?-4338:2393'"
Very difficult to tell what the owners motives are, maybe they’ve looked at the Bradford precedent and seen a method to wipe out a debt and get some cash in from an RFL pot that no one seems to know exists or not.
There is a huge difference between Bradfords position and Londons though, Bradford have a pretty good fan base and a ground to play in (or one the RFL could buy for them). So a new owner coming in would have the benefit of a potential income stream even if it was precarious.
London on the other hand have no ground, very few fans (think it was down to low 1000 or something at times last year, and seemingly little vision for how to rectify this situation.
So realistically unless the current owner can be persuaded into ‘investing’ a huge year on year amount then the future looks pretty much dead.
I know it’s an experiment that has been often derided but yet again it can only be a bad thing for the game as a whole and on the back of a world cup and drive for spreading the word I wonder what the RFL can do to reverse the slide, major rethink at top level is needed and I would think quickly |
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www.newsnow.co.uk/A/680668653?-4338:2393'"
Very difficult to tell what the owners motives are, maybe they’ve looked at the Bradford precedent and seen a method to wipe out a debt and get some cash in from an RFL pot that no one seems to know exists or not.
There is a huge difference between Bradfords position and Londons though, Bradford have a pretty good fan base and a ground to play in (or one the RFL could buy for them). So a new owner coming in would have the benefit of a potential income stream even if it was precarious.
London on the other hand have no ground, very few fans (think it was down to low 1000 or something at times last year, and seemingly little vision for how to rectify this situation.
So realistically unless the current owner can be persuaded into ‘investing’ a huge year on year amount then the future looks pretty much dead.
I know it’s an experiment that has been often derided but yet again it can only be a bad thing for the game as a whole and on the back of a world cup and drive for spreading the word I wonder what the RFL can do to reverse the slide, major rethink at top level is needed and I would think quickly | |
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Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Oh Dear nothing we didn't expect but it looks like they will be looking for another RL bail out to me, its hard anyway without this, to understand how they can manage with hardly any players.
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Sorry if that was confusing but another RL bail out was not referring to London's past but rather what has happened at Bradford and what appears to have happened at Wakefield. |
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Well you just give Catalans no fixture for magic weekend [uthey dont hardly have any away fans anyway [/uand just have 3 games each day. London waited for there fixtures to be given before going into administration it was always on the cards its a farce really. imho'"
Any intelligence that you may claim to have is lost with this statement. For some of you it all boils down to away fans, which is pathetic.
As for London, I can see a case that will see them still around next season all be it as Skolars and not Broncos. People forget that there is a sound club in London. They have a base and conections in The City which is essential. They might not be ready at the moment, but neither is any championship club. But all the good work that has gone on unnoticed by the flat cappers in the north, in the SE will be totally undone without a SL presence in London. Add in any feel good factor generated from the WC and we have to keep moving forward with a club in London.
They need to be based in a town within the M25 (Yes there are towns inside the M25 its not all just London) where they can get a community based team and club going. Similar to what our cousins in the east have done to good effect.
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Are you 10 years old?'"
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Sorry if that was confusing but another RL bail out was not referring to London's past but rather what has happened at Bradford and what appears to have happened at Wakefield.'"
We were bailed out ourselves not too long ago too. Like us back then, London have been grossly mismanaged over the past few seasons, since Leneghan left them.
As a sport, we have to get away from the 'they have no fans, let's cut them off' mentality, and help one of our own if we can. What would we have done if the RFL did that to us back in 1999? We were languishing in the bottom 2 for a couple of seasons, didn't have great attendances, bad stadium etc. Who would've missed us?
The amateur game and participation in schools has never been higher in London, and a lot of that is down to the London club. Without a SL club there, we are effectively cutting off a large proportion of our talent pool over the coming years by removing that 'pathway' for players to become pro. Players like McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Clubb, Sarginson & Dixon would have effectively been lost.
If they have to be 'bailed out' by the RFL, so be it. But, it should be done on certain conditions, making sure they don't just give money to the failed management to flitter away. |
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Sorry if that was confusing but another RL bail out was not referring to London's past but rather what has happened at Bradford and what appears to have happened at Wakefield.'"
No confusion - perfectly clear. |
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One game less = refund on pass?
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Sad to see any club go to the wall, but they've been on borrowed time since Lenaghan left. Chronically poor management and non-existent marketing was only ever going to end badly.
It will be a shame if all the work on grass roots RL in London goes to waste, so IMO any solution should be focused on ensuring that the schools/amateur game doesn't suffer.
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| Quote ="Errlee Berd"We were bailed out ourselves not too long ago too. Like us back then, London have been grossly mismanaged over the past few seasons, since Leneghan left them.
As a sport, we have to get away from the 'they have no fans, let's cut them off' mentality, and help one of our own if we can. What would we have done if the RFL did that to us back in 1999? We were languishing in the bottom 2 for a couple of seasons, didn't have great attendances, bad stadium etc. Who would've missed us?
The amateur game and participation in schools has never been higher in London, and a lot of that is down to the London club. Without a SL club there, we are effectively cutting off a large proportion of our talent pool over the coming years by removing that 'pathway' for players to become pro. Players like McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Clubb, Sarginson & Dixon would have effectively been lost.
If they have to be 'bailed out' by the RFL, so be it. But, it should be done on certain conditions, making sure they don't just give money to the failed management to flitter away.'"
This is the only argument the 'pro-London' lobby have is the effect on the amateur game in the capital if London where to fold. How many young players are missing the chance of progression in Cumbria without a SL team in their area. Hundreds of amateur clubs and thousands of youngsters playing the game there.
No matter how you try to spin it, London in all its different guises has being a complete and utter failure imo |
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"This is the only argument the 'pro-London' lobby have is the effect on the amateur game in the capital if London where to fold. How many young players are missing the chance of progression in Cumbria without a SL team in their area. Hundreds of amateur clubs and thousands of youngsters playing the game there.
No matter how you try to spin it, London in all its different guises has being a complete and utter failure imo'"
It depends on your criteria of what makes a club a success?
Personally, a club who contribute to vastly increasing participation numbers in the country and the talent pool for SL clubs is pretty important. Losing London would have a far bigger negative impact on the game than losing say Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes or Salford.
They've fallen on hard times, terrible management and ownership for the past 6 years. We've been there too in the past, we were bailed out. I'm not sure why, generally, RL fans have such apathy towards London. |
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| Quote ="Errlee Berd"It depends on your criteria of what makes a club a success?
Personally, a club who contribute to vastly increasing participation numbers in the country and the talent pool for SL clubs is pretty important[i. Losing London would have a far bigger negative impact on the game than losing say Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes or Salford. [/i
They've fallen on hard times, terrible management and ownership for the past 6 years. We've been there too in the past, we were bailed out. I'm not sure why, generally, RL fans have such apathy towards London.'"
Don't agree with that at all. but hey its all about opinions. I would imagine the vast majority of Londoners would not even no a RL team exists so I don't think they will miss it when it goes.
Where as most teams up here are part of the community, they have longstanding routes, London have had that many name changes, venue changes etc that they have no chance at all to do that. When are we going to realise that south of Yorkshire no one is the slightest bit interested in RL. The national press certainly arnt.
Only on Sunday the papers carried 5-6 pages of englands union international against NZ where Englands WC game managed about half a page towards the back of the sports sections. Sad but true. |
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London have to go the amount of money pumped into them by the rl and various aussies clubs and yet they still cant survive, its about time them in red hall woke up and smelt the roses and removed their franchise and gave it to someone like Featherstone or Halifax
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Don't agree with that at all. but hey its all about opinions. I would imagine the vast majority of Londoners would not even no a RL team exists so I don't think they will miss it when it goes.
Where as most teams up here are part of the community, they have longstanding routes, London have had that many name changes, venue changes etc that they have no chance at all to do that. When are we going to realise that south of Yorkshire no one is the slightest bit interested in RL. The national press certainly arnt.
Only on Sunday the papers carried 5-6 pages of englands union international against NZ where Englands WC game managed about half a page towards the back of the sports sections. Sad but true.'"
I wasn't making a point on the effect London have on the media in London (I agree with your point regarding the media), it was surrounding participation and the talent pool to pick from. The other things you mention about people not being interested South of Yorkshire is flatcap nonsense.
You mentioned that London have failed, but what would be regarded as success? What criteria are you using to class a club a success or failure? One of their failures is not finding a permanent home, definately, but they have successes too, particularly in grassroots RL, which no other club would be able to achieve.
Like I said before, I don't understand the ill-feeling towards London, why RL fans generally want to see them fail. |
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| Quote ="easthullairliebird"London have to go the amount of money pumped into them by the rl and various aussies clubs and yet they still cant survive, its about time them in red hall woke up and smelt the roses and removed their franchise and gave it to someone like Featherstone or Halifax'"
Plenty of ignorance in this post. If you could answer me some questions:
When did the RFL pump any additional money into London, other than their proportion of SKY money that every club gets?
Other than Brisbane, who are the other Australian cubs your alluding to who have pumped money in?
Why is it a problem that Brisbane invested in the London club 20 years ago?
Should the RFL help bail out Bradford, Keighley, Rochdale, Salford, HULL etc etc, and not help out London?
What could Feath or Halifax possibly add to the competition?
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