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| Quote ="VerbalKint"The only criteria for who should and shouldnt be in SL should be what happens on the pitch imo!!
[size=150Bring back promotion and relegation |
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"dont see how bringing back a much fairer sporting system where teams where judged on their on field performances would meen going back to the semi pro days??
imo would make it far more exciting.'"
Because if you have a professional sport you need teams in it with professional setups. In other words what the Franchise Criteria set out. You want to let any old club in as long as it wins the semi-pro league, regardless of whether it has the infrastructure or facilities to handle professional sport.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"ant you got a train to catch?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Because if you have a professional sport you need teams in it with professional setups. In other words what the Franchise Criteria set out. You want to let any old club in as long as it wins the semi-pro league, regardless of whether it has the infrastructure or facilities to handle professional sport.
Oh - and teams are still judged on their on-field performances, along with all the other stuff.'"
However there is still amongst many fans, clubs and players a niggle that the new system does not work as it promotes apathy rather than urgency and the old relegation led system meant real head to head hot clashes that forced lower placed clubs to up their game which the current system does not promote, however the main benefit for the current set up is that young guns can be blooded far earlier than before with minimal risk long term to the clubs standing and also with internal promotion to first team action the longevity of clubs is more stable with more home grown talent coming through rather than buying sucess |
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| Quote ="EXPRO"However there is still amongst many fans, clubs and players a niggle that the new system does not work as it promotes apathy rather than urgency and the old relegation led system meant real head to head hot clashes that forced lower placed clubs to up their game which the current system does not promote, however the main benefit for the current set up is that young guns can be blooded far earlier than before with minimal risk long term to the clubs standing and also with internal promotion to first team action the longevity of clubs is more stable with more home grown talent coming through rather than buying sucess'"
I would add that the struggle to avoid relegation encouraged focus from the media on mediocrity or, worse still, on poor teams taking it away from the teams at the top of the table. Screening relegation battles on Sky was a waste of prime viewing real-estate that ought to have been the reward for the teams performing well at the top of the table as it is in the new relegation-free era. Cas v Wakefield or Leeds v Saints - I know which I'd rather have been watching. |
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| Quote ="TrevLovesJanice"I see nothing unfair about making sure that a promoted club gets it's house in order - and the same thing was done to hull kr as far as I know. Perhaps they are better run and more viable than Wakefield ?'"
HKR won their right to play in the super league on the field and have since then made some improvements to their stadium much the same as Wakefield. Whether they are better run or more viable is up for debate. While they haven't had the publicised financial problems that Wakefield have had with the taxman they are reportedly almost £4 million in debt.
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Considering that the first thing Wakefield did when they DID get the money was fritter it away on overseas and ageing players (that they couldn't afford anyway), perhaps it was a sensible decision not to let them have the money..'"
Much the same as almost every other club in the super league.
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As for the promise of the new ground, you may recall that Wakefield's initial application to SL was rejected in October 1998 due to not meeting ground requirements, and was then deferred again in early November. Only towards the end of November 1998 were they actually admitted, having made "assurances" about the ground development or relocation. These are well documented facts so your "FFS" statement looks a little foolish.'"
So not a new stadium!
As for ground improvements, while no one is kidding themselves about the state of Belle Vue there have been a lot improvements made since Wakefield won promotion.
The FFS, is because as a Wakefield fan I have had this debate about Wakefield's supposed promise to build a new stadium time and time again. |
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| Quote ="The Clan"HKR won their right to play in the super league on the field and have since then made some improvements to their stadium much the same as Wakefield. Whether they are better run or more viable is up for debate. While they haven't had the publicised financial problems that Wakefield have had with the taxman they are reportedly almost £4 million in debt.
Much the same as almost every other club in the super league.
So not a new stadium!
As for ground improvements, while no one is kidding themselves about the state of Belle Vue there have been a lot improvements made since Wakefield won promotion.
The FFS, is because as a Wakefield fan I have had this debate about Wakefield's supposed promise to build a new stadium time and time again.'"
I've always liked Wakefield and visiting Belle Vue as well (althought the view is less than belle nowadays) - Hull FC and Wakefield have had a good relationship over the years. I'd be sad to see them go. However, they have to get their act together becauuse things are looking bleak at the moment. I'd love to see them ground sharing with Cas to ensure the future of both clubs. Two new stadia within 10 miles of each other supported by one council in today's climate seems like a pipe dream to me. |
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I'm with Standee on this one - no personal attack on any person or club, but if an outsider looked in at the SL clubs, the finger of failure would be pointing at Wakefield IMO.'"
I reckon if an outsider looked in he would see Crusaders as the number 1 failure and not Wakefield. |
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| Quote ="hullbg"I reckon if an outsider looked in he would see Crusaders as the number 1 failure and not Wakefield.'"
Crusaders haven't had to ask their fans for cash, other than that, there is little to chose between them. |
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No but they went into administration. However we all know Crusaders wont be booted as the RFL would then have to say bye bye to their cash injection.
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| Quote ="hullbg"No but they went into administration. However we all know Crusaders wont be booted as the RFL would then have to say bye bye to their cash injection.'"
is there a clun in SL that hasn't been in, or perilously close, to administration.
In fact, save FC and L**ds most other SL clubs would be in administration if they were high street businesses. |
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| Quote ="Standee"Crusaders haven't had to ask their fans for cash, other than that, there is little to chose between them.'"
They have had a 700K (I assume loan) from the RFL though. |
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The Wakefield chairman is spouting off in the Yorkshire Post today and challanged the people of Wakefield to show how much they want a club by putting money in.
Sound truly pathetic to me - aren't he and his cronies charged with the responsibility of running that club ? They certainly have enjoyed spending money that they don't have !
Interesting also that he isn't allowed to put money in because he is bankrupt. Sounds like an ideal person to be in charge.
Time for change, and Wakefield to rebuild at a lower level. Surely another club deserves a chance and if I was a fan of Widnes, Halifax or Barrow then I would be feeling very aggrieved not to rank above Wakefield when the franchises are given out.
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| Quote ="Standee"Crusaders haven't had to ask their fans for cash, other than that, there is little to chose between them.'"
The Expansionist Card may prove to be very valuable. |
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| Quote ="Captain Dave"The Expansionist Card may prove to be very valuable.'"
The fact that Sky would seriously reduce the contract with no Crusaders will save them, it's a commercial decision, RL is a business, it's fairly simple. |
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"They have had a 700K (I assume loan) from the RFL though.'"
I'm not sure if that's a loan as such. I think they went into administration owing the RFL £700K and have been given a period of time to pay it back. |
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not sure if that's a loan as such. I think they went into administration owing the RFL £700K and have been given a period of time to pay it back.'"
And if Wakefield had 700k they could 'owe' to the RFL they probably would not be in the position were they are asking fans to shell out cash to save the club. |
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| Quote ="hullbg"And if Wakefield had 700k they could 'owe' to the RFL they probably would not be in the position were they are asking fans to shell out cash to save the club.'"
I get the impression that Wakey owe plenty of money to people anyway. Or at least soon will.
Maybe if they go into administration as well they can also get preferential terms from their creditors? Because otherwise I'm not sure how the two situations are comparable. Particularly as the £700K owed to the RFL is historic debt incurred by a previous administration rather than the same people who have run the club into the ground asking to be trusted with more cash. |
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| Quote ="Kosh".......rather than the same people who have run the club into the ground asking to be trusted with more cash.'"
Well said. It is surely another club's turn to have a go after Wakefield have lurched from crisis to crisis |
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Not saying that Wakefield should not go, just pointing out that an outsider looking in would look at Crusaders as the weakest link so to speak.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Not saying that Wakefield should not go, just pointing out that an outsider looking in would look at Crusaders as the weakest link so to speak.'"
Fair point, although I reckon Quins must be only just hanging in there.
But if you take out the "politically safe" clubs - Crusaders, Quins and Catalans, then Wakefield are the worst of the rest by a long way. |
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In the High Court of Justice (Chancery Division)
Companies Court No 9875 of 2010
In the Matter of WAKEFIELD TRINITY RUGBY LEAGUE
FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
(Company Number 02623391)
and in the Matter of the Insolvency Act 1986
A Petition to wind up the above-named Company, Registration
Number 02623391, of Belle Vue, Doncaster Road, Wakefield, West
Yorkshire WF1 5HT, presented on 2 December 2010 by the
Commissioners for HM Revenue and Customs, of Bush House, Strand,
London WC2B 4RD, claiming to be Creditors of the Company, will
be heard at the Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, London WC2A 2LL,
on 2 February 2011, at 1030 hours (or as soon thereafter as the Petition
can be heard).
Any persons intending to appear on the hearing of the Petition
(whether to support or oppose it) must give notice of intention to do
so to the Petitioners or to their Solicitor in accordance with Rule 4.16
by 1600 hours on 1 February 2011.
The Petitioners’ Solicitor is the Solicitor to HM Revenue and Customs,
Solicitor’s Office, South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London
WC2B 4RD, telephone 020 7438 4205. (Ref SLR 1040661/37.)
20 January 2011. (1285154)
www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2011/01/hmrc-update/
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In the High Court of Justice (Chancery Division)
Companies Court No 9875 of 2010
In the Matter of WAKEFIELD TRINITY RUGBY LEAGUE
FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
(Company Number 02623391)
and in the Matter of the Insolvency Act 1986
A Petition to wind up the above-named Company, Registration
Number 02623391, of Belle Vue, Doncaster Road, Wakefield, West
Yorkshire WF1 5HT, presented on 2 December 2010 by the
Commissioners for HM Revenue and Customs, of Bush House, Strand,
London WC2B 4RD, claiming to be Creditors of the Company, will
be heard at the Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, London WC2A 2LL,
on 2 February 2011, at 1030 hours (or as soon thereafter as the Petition
can be heard).
Any persons intending to appear on the hearing of the Petition
(whether to support or oppose it) must give notice of intention to do
so to the Petitioners or to their Solicitor in accordance with Rule 4.16
by 1600 hours on 1 February 2011.
The Petitioners’ Solicitor is the Solicitor to HM Revenue and Customs,
Solicitor’s Office, South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London
WC2B 4RD, telephone 020 7438 4205. (Ref SLR 1040661/37.)
20 January 2011. (1285154)
www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2011/01/hmrc-update/
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