If you were expecting an answer, then you could be waiting another 6 years.

Spot on Dave!

On that note I think I will leave it another 6 years to post, because nobody knows ( unless Dave did these boys contracts) that McRae gave these boys "silly money" I like facts not fiction!!!

How can any player be put on a silly contract not even played at the top level? Some fans know nothing about the game if they think this should be justified!

I don't know what amount we're talking about, all I'm saying is, if there is now a wage stucture in place it has to be adhered to.
If he really wanted to play for us, then he would've seen the bigger picture, and taken the short term pain, for the long term gain.
From what I've seen, he is clearly a good prospect, but at the moment he is too far down the pecking order to be made any kind of special offer.

If he's down the pecking order now and Moto Tony in Aus looking for another half back and been asked to take a pay cut would you stick around its a short career and if you turn down a good offer who's to say another one will be offered in a year or so

This. Plus, you either have a wage structure or you don't. If you make an exception, it's open to every player to claim they're "special".

Whether I'd stick around, would depend on my desire to play for Hull FC.
I'm not knocking him for taking a bigger offer. I'm saying that, we have a wage structure, and we have to stick to it.

People are judging him on every performance he's made in the last few months. But last night epitomises his problems. Someone of his talent who aspires to regular SL should have had much more impact on that game, losing side or not. As it was he hardly got involved at all and looked bang average.


Nope. Apart from a couple of flashes of the talent he undoubtedly possesses he was pretty average. And in a couple of matches he was poor.

Tripe. He was much better than that. Showed some real good stuff at times. As expected at that age had a couple of games were he struggled but had some real promise about him. But had some major contributions in a number of games.
Go have a watch of kr game at their place after losing pryce early. Still only 20. So I'll certainly trust my own eyes and give him benefit of the doubt. Given we're currently top with players like Bowden Green houghton naughton Sneyd yeaman n Pryce who were all e or bang average or won't make it according to many on here only a matter of months ago

Has abdul lost any weight? That's his main problem IMO. If he can lose some weight, gain some speed and improve his endurance he has a chance. if he doesn't he'll be the next scott murrell

The last few months, when have you seen him play? Have you attended any Fev or Resereve games?

The last sentence proves to me you don't watch games ( too busy moaning about the ref or listening to the radio), he did well last year, you could dig up threads with him been praised by fans and the coaching team, he has work to do, but he has great talent which he had shown already in patches in SL.

Totally agree. He has the talent to be a top player but he needs to sort his weight out.

And fitness.
Probably the reason he has gone to Fev so he gets game time and improves his match fitness level

I've watched every game we've played for the last several seasons. Many of them several times. Something you might have thought about were you not in a hurry to get personal rather than back up your argument in a rational manner.

I said he had undoubted talent (something else you seem to have missed) but I disagree with your assessment of the overall quality of his performances. His lack of fitness hampers his impact on games and his defence is poor for someone of his size. These are both things that could be worked on and improved but there is little evidence that he is doing so. Something that the coaching staff have remarked on BTW.

I could probably add something snarky now about you, just to fit in with the tone of your post above. But I can't be d TBH.

Which is what I meant by showing flashes of his undoubted talent. Apparently this was too complex a phrase for some to comprehend.

If he's as good as you say then no doubt he'll be making a huge impact in the lower leagues and he'll go on to be a great success in SL. I hope you're right. Let's see how things play out.

He made Scott Murrell look anorexic

See you have ignored my first question, you said your opinion was based on the last 4 months, how many games have you seen him play in that time?

The radio comment was made in reference to many in game post you make with your opinion on the game whilst listening to the radio.

I guess we won't agree on Abdul, but we played some good rugby when he played 6 in the 8's last year, nobody is saying he hasnt work to do, but saying last season he was average or poor is harsh on him.


I still think he will make it as a SL player, if that is at Hull is another matter as he OOC and if his attitude isn't right Radford will get rid.

If you had something sarky to say you would have done, it just means you couldn't think of anything.

He filled his bag up with the goodies FC fans sling as they go round so it's our fault he can't lose weight!

First off, I said that people (not me) were basing their opinion on the last several months (not 4). Personally I'm basing my opinion on what he did in SL for us. I watched the game last night specifically to see how he was going - because I want him to succeed - and was disappointed to see no sign of improvement whatsoever.

What I post during games is my reaction to the commentary/footage in the heat of the moment. In fact you'll notice that I don't post that much during games any more as Twitter is more appropriate for that kind of stuff TBH. When I post about a game in detail, or pass an opinion on how well or not a player performed, I do it after seeing the game. If there's a controversial incident I will caveat my comments or watch it several times before posting about it. I even do this when I've been to games because it's easy to miss stuff in the heat of the moment. I've posted on numerous occasions that I've subscribed to FC Live since it started and have therefore seen every single game we've played since - home and away - so the radio comment was way wide of the mark however you intended it.

We have different definitions of average I guess. And that's fine. I'm not the one berating everyone for not seeing his obvious superstardom. The lad has bags of talent but he just isn't making good use of it, and I've seen no evidence that he's going to do that any time soon. Frankly I hope you're right and I'm wrong because I would love us to produce a talented pivot of our own and he has the right skills to be that player. There are big questions over his attitude and application though IMO.

Trust me - I can snark for England and there's never an occasion when I can't come up with something. Sometimes it just isn't worth the effort.

What a absolute load of bulle.

My views on Reece Dean are well known, I'm not going to bother repeating them.

The club have offered those they wanted to keep deals. Deals that are fair and transparent and consistent across our youth. The minute we change that for one player that's had one good year we open the door for every flash in the pan.

Those that don't want to be part of this, well, don't let the door hit your on the way out.

Think we are building a strong culture at the club now. The best way to continue to do that is to have a fair and equitable pay structure.
We will lose some players along the way, but I'd rather that than continue as we have been over the recent past . We seem to have a real camaraderie on the field now, and that can't be happening by accident.

Dean is interesting Toronto and cas are interested in htw what I've heard earlier

Craig Hall lined up for Toronto as well.

Would be disappointing to lose any young players, but a workable and fair pay structure has been needed for years.
Have to trust the club in this one.

I was genuinely going to bring a pasty to chuck him this year!