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| Wonder if he will go back to the table once the Melton bluff is over and actually offer some money. People are saying he is crazy but if he is a businessman maybe this had all just been part of the haggling process.
What process would he have to go through to get a stadium in Melton anyway? I am presuming the villagers wouldnt want it and I dont see what East Riding Council would get out of it either?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"If true, that's just not realistic.'"
I don't think that Allam has the same understanding of reality that most people share.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Fair enough, and if he has turned up for meetings without concrete plans then he has got what he deserved.
However, all of the evidence i have seen of him so far is that he has followed up his plans and put his money where his mouth is. University, Hullensions, Hull City, Rovers etc.
Maybe im too trusting!'"
AP quoted £40m he's ploughed into city thus far that in it's self deserve's a straight jacket. .
Joking aside I think besty sums it up well.
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| Quote ="Standee"I can, categorically state, it will not happen.
=#0000BFI try not to debate with imbeciles with a hidden agenda, they have a tendancy to drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.'"
I think you might be in the wrong place
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| Quote ="Standee"I try not to debate with imbeciles with a hidden agenda, they have a tendancy to drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.'"
Well you are of typical low enough itellect to descend to insults based on nothing more that an opinion that didn't match your own.
If you'd actually read the full post you would realise I'd agreed with most of your previous points, unfortunately you decided to pick on the bit that you didn;t agree with but it seems you have form for this kind of aggressive juvenile behaviour.
I personally wouldn't wish FC to be thrown out of the KC, it will not do the sport of RL in Hull or nationally any good whatsoever to have that happen. Allams plans seem very poor and ill thought and on this basis alone the council have done the right thing for the city by dismissing the plans.
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| Allam keeps banging on about "not building an extension on a rented house", just how long is the lease that the SMC (Allam's company) have on the KC? There's been plenty of previous examples of individuals and companies improving leasehold properties. all they do is seek a return on investment over the period of the lease.
What's next, "I'm not going to paint the KC or fix a leaky roof because I'm only renting it"?
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| Ultimately it comes down to this...
If the city of KuH won't sell to Allam, preventing him from investing in the area, he's got an arguable case.
If the city of KuH won't (in effect) give him the KC and the land, preventing him from investing, then that is as it should be and bloomin' obviously so.
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| Quote ="BESTY"Precisely,i'm quite staggered by the number of people who are up in arms with the council over this. Every single time i have heared Allam talk he has come out with something ridiculous,all his arguements seem ill thought out at best. To stand and pose for a pic at welton holding what was supposed to be plans of a possible stadium development in the hope it would put pressure on the coincil could have been thought up by a 10 year old child.
His involvement with Hull City has never sat right with me,when you look at the facts,he has ploughed 1/3 of his puported wealth into a football club which is pretty much at the top of what it's likely to acheive,he'll never get his money back. His only hope was aquiring this land,It's been an expensive gamble for him in my eyes and one he's thankfully lost. I've no doubt he'll soon put the club up for sale citing the council holding him back as the reason and they'll be painted the bad boys. The swimming pool and ice rink story really show him for what he is.Go back to doing what you're good at Mr Allam.'"
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| To be fair to the city supporters they see Allam very differently to us and for good reasons. He saved there club, lets not make any mistake without his intervention then Hull city could well have gone bust and even worse. They feel a loyalty to him and I can understand that, but its clouding their vision a little and they are lashing out. The media are whipping it up by using the "Hull fair" soundbite and ignoring the rest of it, the Wail is very anti Labour and always has been.
I understand there feelings and there worries if Allam decides to move to Ferriby/ Melton or even walk away its worrying for all of us. I am sure that the vast majority of citizens of this city will be happy that the council have taken the line they have, eventually.
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| city fans are blind to the truth of this. If duffen/bartlett had owned the stadium then likely Hull FC and city would now be paying a significantly higher rent to some bank for the use of it. Any lease we have would be useless if the company who we had teh lease with was liquidated
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We are willing to do the whole scheme but we need a significant contribution from the council.
"If they can't generate their own funds to make a contribution, then give us the freehold of the stadium as their contribution
So the council give the stadium away for free and they put a hotel and squash court in west park?
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We are willing to do the whole scheme but we need a significant contribution from the council.
"If they can't generate their own funds to make a contribution, then give us the freehold of the stadium as their contribution
So the council give the stadium away for free and they put a hotel and squash court in west park?
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| That is the point,if he defaults on his loan's,FC fans,city fans and ultimatly the hull tax payers are left in the ,the council will most likely end paying the banks for the KC again.
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| Deputy Leader of the Council Darren Hale was on Humberside at 5-10 and said that the Allams had never made the council an offer and through out the 3 hour meeting yesterday they said that them having the stadium signed over to them first was a pre requisit of the sceme even being started. Strange that one? It will be on listen again soon its worth hearing sensible guy!
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| I heard it too. Seems a very strange declaration that they have rejected his offer, when according to Darren Hale no offer has been made. It looks as though the council won't have to do anything as Allam is tying himself up in knots. Someone is telling porkies and I know who I trust (on this matter).
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| People are quick to point the finger at the Council I have has dealing with the Council
over the sale of the Bus Company ..The Leader of the Council would have got they Legal team in
for advice .That team would have seen through any deal that was put on the table which was nothing
When we look for buyers for the Bus Company the Legal team told us what was for sale and what the Council would do
to get a deal The town garage was not apart of any deal (We Known now)But land would be given to build a new garage for the buyer (Foster Street )Every meeting we had the Council Legal Team was there to over see the sale
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| Quote ="clubfoot fc"www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Hull-FC-safe-42-years-Sports-Village-says-Allam/story-13419870-detail/story.html
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Thought they'd said all they were going to say on the matter
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"city fans are blind to the truth of this. If duffen/bartlett had owned the stadium then likely Hull FC and city would now be paying a significantly higher rent to some bank for the use of it. Any lease we have would be useless if the company who we had teh lease with was liquidated'"
Our lease is with the stadium's owners - the Council - not the estate managers, the SMC.
This is why I trust that if Geraghty says Allam could get us out after 15 months he, as a representative of our landlords, is probably in a position to know if our lease agreement maybe has a loophole or two?
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| Quote ="BESTY"Thought they'd said all they were going to say on the matter
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I wish we could trust that he'll be true to his word but his record isn't great!
The reality is that sadly for us and the people of Hull all his eggs are in the KC basket. The Melton scheme won't serve his purpose, nor will a Sports Village in any other part of the city. That's because he has no intention of building a Sports Village. His sole intention is to acquire the stadium and the commercial lands around it, borrow against them and/or build on the land for his commercial gain. With some of the profits he will invest in Hull City, take it to the Premiership, and sell a healthy top class club for an astronomical amount.
None of this is possible without the stadium and the land. That's why we've heard far from his last word on the subject. I think he'll first threaten to move to Melton. When that fails he'll use the media to pressure for a referendum. If that fails he may come up with a new strategy to approach the council again. lastly, he'll wait for the inevitable change politically on the council, and hope for Lib-Dem control next time. I can see him funding their election campaign plans, tbh, in exchange for a more favourable response when they're back in office.
He cannot stop until he has the stadium. Otherwise he's bought a white elephant that will cost him money to maintain, not bring him the fortune he envisaged. If a stalemate still exists after a year or two, he'll sell City.
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| Quote ="major black"how can anybody take the Allams sport village seriously.
1 They didn't realise we already have an ice rink. So they scrap that idea.
2 They turn up to a meeting to get the KC and surrounding land for nothing with no plans/drawings of how they plan to develope it.
3 Terry Geraghty asks if they realise the cost of running an Olympic size pool. when he enlightens them they decide to scrap that too. Leaving a multi storey car park, squash court and half a dozen shops.
4 part of their half ar$ed plan is to aquire £20 million through the sports council, 20% of their annual funding. Get real.'"
Brilliant!
Of course, the Allams don't take the idea of a Sports Village seriously, either.
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| If, by some miracle, the Allam plans were to go ahead, an extension of the KC Stadium to 40-odd thousand would surely be a disaster for Hull FC?
Let's be honest, 12-15000 fans rattling around in a stadium which could hold three times that is not conducive to a good atmosphere. Then there would be the associated disruption, the inevitable rise in costs etc, a possible re-negotiation of the lease etc!
So why does Adam Pearson appear so desperate for the Allam plans to go ahead?
Is he just a paid puppet to get the FC faithful 'on side'?
If not, I honestly think he needs to cut his with Hull City to avoid a conflict of interests!
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| Quote ="JMR"If, by some miracle, the Allam plans were to go ahead, an extension of the KC Stadium to 40-odd thousand would surely be a disaster for Hull FC?
Let's be honest, 12-15000 fans rattling around in a stadium which could hold three times that is not conducive to a good atmosphere. Then there would be the associated disruption, the inevitable rise in costs etc, a possible re-negotiation of the lease etc!
So why does Adam Pearson appear so desperate for the Allam plans to go ahead?
Is he just a paid puppet to get the FC faithful 'on side'?
If not, I honestly think he needs to cut his with Hull City to avoid a conflict of interests!'" Just wait till he cut the price off season passes Hull FC will need the extra room
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| Quote ="JMR"If, by some miracle, the Allam plans were to go ahead, an extension of the KC Stadium to 40-odd thousand would surely be a disaster for Hull FC?
Let's be honest, 12-15000 fans rattling around in a stadium which could hold three times that is not conducive to a good atmosphere. Then there would be the associated disruption, the inevitable rise in costs etc, a possible re-negotiation of the lease etc!
So why does Adam Pearson appear so desperate for the Allam plans to go ahead?
Is he just a paid puppet to get the FC faithful 'on side'?
If not, I honestly think he needs to cut his with Hull City to avoid a conflict of interests!'"
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Fair enough, and if he has turned up for meetings without concrete plans then he has got what he deserved.
However, all of the evidence i have seen of him so far is that he has followed up his plans and put his money where his mouth is. University, Hullensions, Hull City, Rovers etc.
Maybe im too trusting!'"
I would'nt trust Allam with a bargepole,god knows what hidden agenda he has concerning Rover's.If i heard right in his interview,he said he gave one million pounds to Rovers as a sweetner to play at the KC.If i were you i would be very concerned and worried about Allams intentions involving HULL KR.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Deputy Leader of the Council Darren Hale was on Humberside at 5-10 and said that the Allams had never made the council an offer and through out the 3 hour meeting yesterday they said that them having the stadium signed over to them first was a pre requisit of the sceme even being started. Strange that one? It will be on listen again soon its worth hearing sensible guy!'"
typical of red 'n' white Blunderside to put it on at 5-10
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