I thought our forwards let us down more than our halves tbh. No go forward, poor defence, and when we did get in their half it was invariably one of the forwards who gave it away early in the count. O'meley of course is immune from criticism but he may as well have not played last night. Only Moa and to an extent Hame showed up.

Moa seemed to take forever to play the ball last night but some credit must be given to Leeds defence for that.

I know its not world shattering,but Eddie`s comment about Hull being the only S.L.team not to score a 40 /20 surprised me a bit.

One of our big problems continues to be poor ball out of dummy half. I know it's not popular to criticise houghton but his distribution isn't good enough, hence we're rarely on the front foot and get dominated in the tackle.

Agree with all of that, we got out enthused by a more desperate side and the pack were on the back foot for most of the game. That meant the halves had no position or possession to create anything. The amount of defence we did left us short of energy in attack too.

That said our performance was shocking with ball in hand, the worst all season by some distance. Forwards never ran hard and halves were never in the game aswell as the backs.

He was poor last night, that said our ptb's were woefully slow.

It's chicken and egg though. Get decent ball out of dummy half and you have more chance of a quick PTB

the reason for slow play the balls and danny houghton not been able to get out of dummy half was that our structure in attack was awfull and meant leeds defence could be tight and compressed and no suprise that on a number of occasions leeds had 3-4 players in the tackle and often pushed players back.

MR AGAR sort out the structure in attack, play a little wider with players pushing around the ball carrer with genuine dummy runners with the pivots as options. i can garuntee that if we do this then it will restrict leeds to not been able to get the numbers in the tackle like they did last night.

Maybe so, but I stand by what I said....

Richard Horne is just an overpaid Tommy Lee!! Chris Thorman was/is better IMO.... I just don't rate Horne AT ALL anymore!! But hey, 2 more years to go!!

Their games are nothing alike, don't get the comparison at all.

Yes, you are correct.... Tommy Lee has a kicking game and has the ability to pass...

Horne has the same step and the same dummy pass which never works as he showed last night with players to his right he went alone when it wasn't even on!! This is before we mention his unbelievably accurate laser guided kicks which do no damage whatsoever.

Westerman did 3 great kicks out of three attempts yesterday.

Lay off the crack, it's not good for you.

Am I right in thinking that Horne has now become the new Sharp?

HAHA... Real funny...



Sorry for not thinking golden boy Horne is the greatest halfback of all time, maybe i should say you're on crack because you think he's anything other than crap!!

Horne, Obst and Fitz are the names that keep cropping up.

Horne - injured, needs op.
Obst - is he still injured, rushed back? His worst game for Hull last night - a coincidence?
Fitz - injured and in obvious pain. Should never have been picked.

Seems our injury luck this season has drained away just at the wrong time.

With this in mind Agar, should not have changed the formula from Salford. Needs to be honest about who's really fit when deciding on the halves/ pack for next week.

If Obst [iis[/i ok and had an off-day yesterday, then I'd be tempted to put Westy at 6 with Obst at SH. Washy as back-up.

At least they'll all be out celebrating horneys birthday tonight, discussing set plays no doubt

One thing I really disagreed with last night was changing the halves during the game. I'm not sure if Obst trained all week, but the importance of training in set positions during the week and then playing in them for the full 80 on gameday can't be underestimated. I know Houghton wasn't great and perhaps needed a rest but play Washy at 9, don't move Obst to 9, Horne to 7, Westy to 6 and Washy to 12.

Half the broblem with horne is that when a pass isnt on he wont give it thats why he always does that dummy and step that never works because he rarely gives a pass when its not on

why pass it half the side last night wouldn t have caught it

Horne has never been a play maker and never will and hes never had a kicking game and never will..hes a good support player and hopefully with seymour next year we will see his best....surely will the options we have at half/hooker next year we should see alot more ideas going forward! Christ it cant get any worse!

I've never claimed that he's the greatest halfback of all time, so not sure what your point is there.

His record clearly shows that he isn't crap. And quite frankly anyone who says that Thorman is better really does open themselves up to well-deserved ridicule.

Tut Tut, that 7 pages of gush and love on his 2 year deal didnt last long.

No because Sharp only has to play poorly for ten seconds to get a thread about him.

As proven its taken over 10 years for people to finally see Horne is not a top quality half back. Mid table at best which is quite ironic where we find ourselves.

Excellently put.... when Sharp has been half as bad as Horne has, i'll expect him to receive abuse...