On the evidence of yesterdays performance I conceded that my observation about our squad being better than Leigh's was bollox. On yesterdays performance indeed it was and I continued the friendly banter with the Leigh fan. I should have put an emoji in to emphasise that.

Know diddly squat about the game? probably true. You suggest I should listen to other peoples views who have superior knowledge of the game. I'm guessing that means you?

You have made a posts that I agree with. However Jamie Shaul is 30 has never played hooker in his life and will never successfully make that transition now. It's a specialist position that requires a lot more than running from dummy half.

Luckily missed the game as was on holiday and due to time difference didn't follow the game, was there any positives, did Hoy move to 6 and Litten to 1, how did that work.

Did Sao get sinbinned twice?

On the playing side coaches are the most important cog. To say coaches have not been the problem is a nonsense. Recommending retention and recruitment are two of their main tasks they are responsible for everything that happens on the playing side. Instilling a good attitude in players is paramount.

Whilst all that is true the choice of coach is down to the Chairman and so untimely the success or failure of the club is down to Mr Pearson. He did have early success but over the last few years he has presided over a steady decline in FC’s fortunes. He did not take decisive action when Radders’ tenure started to implode and his appointment of Hodgson was a bit of a disaster. Time will tell if TS can turn things around although first indications are not too promising.

It is often commented that he has had success at all previous clubs but not necessarily immediately. That is true of his time at Rovers and although we only narrowly escaped relegation that was not due to effort or application but rather to a lack of quality.

The difference is you also lack effort and application.

Litten went ok at 1, was more involved. We should line up that way against Wire. Hopefully Mitch on the wing, if not its Barron or Mcintosh.

Yeah Sao got sinbinned twice. I'd be tempted to release him and use his quota space on someone else.

We could have played yesterdays game at the Boulevard in its pomp and the atmosphere would still have been poor because what we are watching is so poor. People sing when their team have 'got a roll on' i.e. repeated sets of good play and pressure, not one dull set and a brainfart

Absolutely right about Sao. Two spells of 10 minutes means that for a quarter of the match we were only playing with 12 men. This is not acceptable, especially when the team are playing as poorly as they are.

I mean I obviousley dont always agree with Keith and know he goes way OTT when it comes to his opinions of us.

However Pearson and Clarke have massively mismanaged the salary cap and neglected the backroom staff. They have lead us down this path and have to take the responsibility.

Your talking and hopefully now you’ve slept on it, I hope you know it was a knee jerk reaction. Seriously though, I just don’t know where our next win will come from!!! The next 5 games are virtually spankings and the Easter derby could well be a record score, then Wakey away

I said in an earlier post after the Salford debacle that Cas and Wakey could well get their first wins against us atm. We’re e and we know we are. Even when Truman’s fit, we’ll still be e, our pack is poor and just cannot build a platform. Clifford and Hoy are leading a back line that’s getting battered. I genuinely fear the drop at this moment in time. Griffin and Taylor are finished, Soa is a penalty machine and was very average in a very good Samoan side but would never have got his place but for injuries. No impact props and I just don’t see what Lovodua brings to the table. Heyho, I’ve been wrong before but I’ve watched FC since the late 50’s and I think this is one of the poorest teams effort wise I’ve witnessed. Taxi for Armavinit, I’ll get my coat.
ps, it’s all my fault, I never buy replica shirts anymore because we always get beat when I wear one

I bought the away shirt, I genuinely like it but it’s staying on the hanger in the wardrobe, FC need all the help they can get at the moment

I'm feeling like our only hope this season is that by some form of a miracle another club wants one of our players next season, and we want one of theirs (ideally a big prop) and a deal is done to swap them mid season.

Also anyone know what the deal is for paying players of early with the cap? I.e does only wages up til point of pay off count? Know that finances aren't flush but we aren't going to be selling any more on the day tickets at this rate

The morning after. We can't get rid of the coach. We have done that. Players need to be shipped out. Smith has said all along won't be a quick fix. I am sure he has irons in the fire for next year. His hands are tied for this year. As a happy clapper I really think this could be a long season. Yesterday was really poor. Need to shake the team up for next week in personal changes but we haven't the luxury of wholesale changes. It's the hope that kills you lol.

We left the Boulevard over twenty years ago now, in that time St Helens, Warrington and Salford have all left their old grounds and all have their own new grounds. Can't we get our £40m from the same place they all did?

A lot of talk about this being a very long season ahead, but I think it could be the shortest season in your clubs short existence. Season over by Easter, nice one agent Tony, lol.

You're saying that as if you've got a chance of doing something when we both know that you've got as much chance as us. No bleedin' chance.

Depends what we’re talking about, relegation and you have a waaaaay bigger chance than us





the city is red and white…..AGAIN

When was the last time it was red and white? It must be so long ago that I can’t remember it?

It’s not been anything else but red and white in the past 2/3 years, and I suspect a long longer as well. Going bust is inevitable for you lot.

Saints are the best run club in SL by some distance, Warrington have a rich backer, and have you missed that Salford's rent their ground and it has a complicated ownership and their future at the stadium isn't certain??

sensible post from you for a change

creating atmosphere is simple but it means having a team that entertains,puts in the effort on the field then the fans respond automatically.
We have one of the best grounds in S/L.yes we pay rent but we are not responsible for maintainance and repairs both to the stadium and the pitch.
The fact that HKR own their own ground so they can put on a couple of pop concerts every year and create millions in extra revenue is just deluded nonsense.
It would actually take millions to bring their 3 sided old fashioned ground up to modern standards and they are not going to do that.
I have always said HKR fans should keep an eye on planning permissions because the way their board of directors are being acquired its the prospect of the future money from development thats attractive not Rugby league
Ill give it 5/8 years until their ground is bulldozed for housing.

It depends on what you class as the city is yours. I mean youve managed to limp above us given weve had our poorest squad since 1999. Still some way before your academy, merchandise sales and attendances match ours.

But good luck to you, considering how much money your supposed to have the squad is poor, the academy struggled for an elite license and you have to reduce tickets to a quid for five figure crowds. Your stadium is below average and it will take more then a few gourmet burger stands and pub benches to rectify that.

The reality is that sure you may have the better squad at the moment but history tells us its never normally for lobg.

I do quite like the ‘Hull KR fans, always living in the present’ angle. Shows the circle does turn in SL. Sort of.

A couple of wins and it’ll look rosier. Same as it does for us and following a pattern established in the 19th century. You’re not so crap, as you’ll go down I don’t think.

Be interesting to see what your rebuild looks like.

we have been in a decline since 2017,first hammerings at home in 2017,but winning the cup that year masked it.from 2018 onwards we have been getting steadily worse year on year.not helped by not replacing players who took us to glory.liam watts,ball playing foreward.not replaced.ratu,winger with genuine pace,not replaced,ellis.captain and leader,not replaced.albert kelly.a no 6 with flair and pace.not replaced.marc sneyd.organising and great kicker at 7.not replaced.last year one of the few english backs with class connor.not replaced.plus the big pack we used to have is now littered with little people like fash,cator ,brown,lane.they wont frighten any opposition pack.we also must have the slowest set of threequarters in the league.

Its no longer a specialist position thats where you are wrong.
Its picking the ball up from dummy half and either passing the ball or scooting/making a break.
Shauls best part of his game which is running is ideal for this position
If people want to criticise Shauls passing or his defence then surely from the evidence we have seen from our now number one nine Dwyer it cant be any worse than him.
Shaul is now surplus to requirements but i still maintain he could do a better job at nine than the current bunch we have.
According to one of the Aussie posters on here he coached Shaul in his younger days as a hooker and dont forget he actually started at nine for one match last year or the year before and did very well,but finished the game back at full back due to injury re shuffle prompting one or two on here to say it was a good call.

My fear is the likes of Taylor and Griffin have already been given contract extensions

Only in the pride parade