Agree with you there. Players need to be in on merit, Agar will no doubt start with what he feels is his starting 13 +4 but the crunch will come when a player is not performing well, will he have the balls to drop them.

At least I offer an opinion. I would not exclude the people in 'my' side for Briscoe, Radford or Dowes. Briscoe was a hard choice, but I would not drop Raynor or calderwood from the start to make a place for him, but give him a chance due to infuries or form. As for Radford and Dowes, not my 1st choice at the mo.

Can sympathise with the Whiting thought, but feel Washy is faster and more creative, so see Whiting as a 2nd row replacement.

Think Turner is seen as a future 6 or 13 and will offer cover there next season.

Agree with alot of this, particularly the radford at 13, I can't believe anyone thinks he should play at 13, and if we're struggling at 13 (due to washy injury), playing radford there is the last option. He's not creative, he's a hard work merchant - love to know Agar's logic there, but fear it's as you suggest - when there's not a place in 2nd row, or prop (where his future lies for me, if at all, if Tickle, manu, Fitz et-al perform).

Not much between them in terms of speed, and Whiting is the cleverer player IMO.

Washbrook's workrate and defence put him head and shoulders above whiting IMO.

Agreed! Whiting just isn't as good as what we have in most positions, which is his main problem.

I see no-one can see a place for our captain, Lee Radford.
Nor can many see a place for out goal kicker, Danny Tickle.

Saying that, Fitzgibbon is an excellent goalkicker, and so is Craig Hall. So we won't miss Tickle so much if dropped.

But can anyone really see Agar ever dropping Radford? Has he ever been dropped? Given a full squad, I will place money on Radford being named at 13.

XVII I'd have:
1. Tansey; 2. Calderwood, 3. Hall, 4. Yeaman, 5. Raynor; 6. Horne, 7. Long; 8. Dowes, 9. Berrigan, 10. O'Meley, 11. Fitzgibbon, 12. Manu, 13. Washbrook.
14. Briscoe, 15. Lauaki, 16. Moa, 17. Houghton

Briscoe to cover the backs. Impact in the forwards.

XIII Agar will probably name:
1. Tansey; 2. Briscoe, 3. Hall, 4. Yeaman, 5. Raynor; 6. Horne, 7. Long; 8. Dowes, 9. Berrigan, 10. Cusack, 11. Fitzgibbon, 12. Manu, 13. Radford.
14. Whiting, 15. Lauaki, 16. Moa, 17. O'Meley

He won't drop Radford. He'll start Briscoe.

In fairness, neither side looks too bad. He'll never have a full squad to pick from anyway!

1. Tansey
2. Briscoe
3. Yeaman
4. Hall
5. Raynor
6. Washbrook
7. Long
8. Dowes
9. Berrigan
10. Shrek
11. Tickle
12. Manu
13. Fitz

14. Houghton
15. Hame
16. Moa
17. Yak

In my opinion that is our strongest 17

Yes, because all the times Whiting has played 13 his workrate has been rubbish, hasn't it? Or have we not seen enough of him there to make an informed judgement?

I'm with Kosh on this one. I'd have Washy in the side - probably as a second rower in place of the monumental waste of space that is our captain. I'd love to see Whiting given a run at 13 or 6, but fear it may never happen. If it did, I think he'd do really well - particularly outside someone like Long.

I'd go with Washbrook at 13 at the moment but I don't believe he is that far in front of Whiting. If Washy isn't performing then Whiting should be given ago. Then Turner after him. Unless of an injury crisis, then none of Radford, Fitzgibbon, Tickle, Burnett or Manu should play at 13.

that wont happen.

Because Agar is inept.

Shh, don't spoil it for wolfie

[urlhttp://www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?page_id=18[/url shows Fitz and Washbrook at 13, Whiting 2nd row. I'd like to see Whiting at 13 but I suppose firstly let's hope he has an injury-free season so that he can start to push for the position that he wants to play in.

The selection of Gareth Raynor might not be a problem after his trial so there may well be a space for one of the junior players.

Washy must play 13. Shame but the likes of Whiting and Turner will only play next season when we have injuries.

Good thread. Like the fact FC fans have a wide and varied raft of ideas for next season. Hope Agar looks on.
Pity we dont have the same thread, seems most of our fans are happy to leave things to our coach. Boring buggers!

Also still shows Kingy firmly at prop. Still in the first team squad after all.

Edited etc.

Well yeah because none of you ahve expiernced winning a play off game or getting to a grand final, hence why you have no advice.

I like both, but Whiting is the one I'd have in first, his thought train is far superior to Washies and you have only to see how fast his reaction is when remembering how he snaffled the try at the CC. I want to see all our team learning to react that fast so we can do justice to the training. No falling asleep for a couple of secs. ......result knock on.......come on you Hull, lets see you repay us this season with some cracking games....grannyfan Cindy

Yes because he's still on the books. All the others who have been offloaded have been removed from the picture.

Surely the amount of advice to Agar and co. from fans 'getting to a grand final' would have seen you in the last 3 from 2006.