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| Quote ="Mrs Barista""@HDMEditor
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In sport tomorrow: A prime contender to be the new #HullKR coach says Rovers are on the brink of something special."'"
Mmmm interesting prob nowt just wants to sell the paper
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"I like John Kear, great bloke. I would not want him back though
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| Going to Wakefield
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| Quote ="newmarket cat"Going to Wakefield'"
It used to be a good night out. Dunno what it's like now, apart from what I see on those Sky telly, cop programmes. He should be able to handle himself though
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| Quote ="newmarket cat"Going to Wakefield'"
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I just don't think that competing for a final next year is such a priority that we need to make expensive short term signings. Your stance seems to see Pearson as some sort of sugar daddy who will fritter away money on unwise/overpriced purchases. All that will achieve is to quickly garner us a reputation as mugs, and clubs/agents/players will then inflate their demands to us because they'll see us as a soft touch for extra cash.
If we had a few more younger players in our pack I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but 2 year wonders are not what we need most ATM, we need more scope for continuity IMO. Tickle and Westerman are the only forwards we have contracted beyond next year, IMO we've made a right mess of things having so many players in the same positions come out of contract at the same time. Radford, Dowes (if he stays), O'Meley, and Manu will all be over 30 when their deals expire, it's more than possible that more than 1 of them will retire, and I reckon Moa is off back to the NRL. We can't possibly develop enough players in house to build a full pack in time, so we need some longer term signings.'"
We get success means it will be easier to bring quality players in when we are fighting the likes for his signature with the big clubs. If Adam Pearson can pay vast amount of money for championship players and failed coaches then Im sure the money he would ahve to pay for top quality rugby players wont bother him. And he isnt stupid if people start to take the mick he jsut simply wont buy them.
So Carl tell me what players you think we could relistically get this year for a fee?
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| Someone else told me Gentle to Hull tonight, reckons Ben Galea told him, so it could just be players winding people up again.
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| I can't see Morgan to FC myself, think it'll either be Agar sticking around or an NRL based coach coming over having impressed Pearson/Rule at interview.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"If we get Gentle and Cas get Millward I wonder where Morgan will end up.....Wigan ?'"
I was sat behind the tv cameras at wembley and while they were prepping cameras etc richards gave morgan a wave whilst warming up, I'd say this was grounds for a rumour
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| Quote ="Tongan Mafia"We get success means it will be easier to bring quality players in when we are fighting the likes for his signature with the big clubs. If Adam Pearson can pay vast amount of money for championship players and failed coaches then Im sure the money he would ahve to pay for top quality rugby players wont bother him. And he isnt stupid if people start to take the mick he jsut simply wont buy them.'"
I see what you're saying, but I just don't think that 1) Making a final is always the best way to attract players, showing the intent to build a quality squad long-term can be just as appealing, and 2) The influence of a final appearance is worth the sort of transfer fee it would cost to get someone like Andy Lynch when he'll only last a couple of years.
I'm not saying Pearson doesn't have the money, I'm saying that just because he has doesn't mean he should splash it around frivolously. He'll have a finite amount of money he's willing to invest in Hull FC, we need to use it in most effective way.
Quote ="Tongan Mafia"So Carl tell me what players you think we could relistically get this year for a fee?'"
I've already mentioned Paul Johnson. If we're going to offer Bradford money I think we'd get better value out of Hargreaves or Kopczak. If you want Pearson to make a sit up and take notice signing who might prove to be worth it, have a good go for Larne Patrick. The last is probably the least likely, but it certainly would make a statement if we pulled something like that off. None of those might be as good a player as Lynch or Fielden currently, but they'd all be better value for money IMO.
We've gone around in circles on this before, the fact is we'll probably never agree. You seem to think that spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on transfer fees for good but not great players with only a couple of years' worth of rugby left in them is worth it, I don't. And I never will. For me, every overpriced pound of that money could have gone on something with longer term benefits for the club.
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| Quote ="the cal train"I was sat behind the tv cameras at wembley and while they were prepping cameras etc richards gave morgan a wave whilst warming up, I'd say this was grounds for a rumour
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Were they at Parra at the same time?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Sooo last week. I started the Gentle to FC rumour last night.
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Or you could go back to page one where I started it
I actually heard Gentle to Rovers (despite dwarfs protestations to the contrary) is not without a good chance......
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| Quote ="hull smallears"Or you could go back to page one where I started it
I actually heard Gentle to Rovers (despite dwarfs protestations to the contrary) is not without a good chance......'"
will be very interesting what comes out from pearson in the coming weeks.
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| Quote ="wolfie"will be very interesting what comes out from pearson in the coming weeks.'"
INdeed, looking forward to it, after a few years of apathy, I have genuine hope. GUess we'll see soon enough.
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| This is interesting -
HDMEditor John Meehan
We also focus in tomorrow's Mail on the 12 #HullFC & #HullKR players who will be free to talk to other clubs from Thursday.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"This is interesting -
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We also focus in tomorrow's Mail on the 12 #HullFC & #HullKR players who will be free to talk to other clubs from Thursday.'"
It will just be the ooc players, no revelations.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista""@HDMEditor
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In sport tomorrow: A prime contender to be the new #HullKR coach says Rovers are on the brink of something special."'"
If he's after a job he's hardly going to say "Rovers are on a downward spiral and are signing cheap options to save money"
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I see what you're saying, but I just don't think that 1) Making a final is always the best way to attract players, showing the intent to build a quality squad long-term can be just as appealing, and 2) The influence of a final appearance is worth the sort of transfer fee it would cost to get someone like Andy Lynch when he'll only last a couple of years.
I'm not saying Pearson doesn't have the money, I'm saying that just because he has doesn't mean he should splash it around frivolously. He'll have a finite amount of money he's willing to invest in Hull FC, we need to use it in most effective way.
I've already mentioned Paul Johnson. If we're going to offer Bradford money I think we'd get better value out of Hargreaves or Kopczak. If you want Pearson to make a sit up and take notice signing who might prove to be worth it, have a good go for Larne Patrick. The last is probably the least likely, but it certainly would make a statement if we pulled something like that off. None of those might be as good a player as Lynch or Fielden currently, but they'd all be better value for money IMO.
We've gone around in circles on this before, the fact is we'll probably never agree. You seem to think that spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on transfer fees for good but not great players with only a couple of years' worth of rugby left in them is worth it, I don't. And I never will. For me, every overpriced pound of that money could have gone on something with longer term benefits for the club.'"
Yes but u cannot tell me in 2 years they cannot find some props to bring in to replace the old guard?
We need top quality props its no point having abundance of halfs if they cannot get the go forward from the props if we lose either Moa or Ogre to injury next season we are going to struggle. We need quality in that department with experience...the likes of a Peacock, Lynch or Fielden and with them being prop youd get them for a small fee what would be good business. The merchandise adnd passes are right up there and thats when we are rubbish can u imagine the money the club will make if there start to get to finals and god forbid win something?
Your right we probably wont agree but its fun to have a debate with you all the same
Regarding you on Manchester United look how much debt they are in but I bet the fans dont give a monkeys do u as they are winning or getting to finals.
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| Gentle seems to be well thought of in Aus and is exactley what we need IMO.
I still expect him despite what Hudgill says to go to rovers, not sure why just have a feeling.
For him to fly to this country he must have a job lined up, can't see him going to Wakey if he has turned down Cas due to lack of budget as I would guess Wakey would run about the same budget as Cas.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"If it's one or two props then hopefully signing one and bringing one through should be a option but all four?'"
Exactly the point I'm trying to make, it's very possible we'll be in that situation. 4 of our 6 signed up forwards are OOC next year, that's not tweaking the pack it's replacing it wholesale.
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| Quote ="Tongan Mafia"Yes but u cannot tell me in 2 years they cannot find some props to bring in to replace the old guard?
We need top quality props its no point having abundance of halfs if they cannot get the go forward from the props if we lose either Moa or Ogre to injury next season we are going to struggle. We need quality in that department with experience...the likes of a Peacock, Lynch or Fielden and with them being prop youd get them for a small fee what would be good business. The merchandise adnd passes are right up there and thats when we are rubbish can u imagine the money the club will make if there start to get to finals and god forbid win something?
Your right we probably wont agree but its fun to have a debate with you all the same
Regarding you on Manchester United look how much debt they are in but I bet the fans dont give a monkeys do u as they are winning or getting to finals.'"
See Sheldon's post and my reply.
As for Peacock/Lynch/Fielden on a small fee, that wouldn't be too bad but I don't see why their clubs would do so. And you've change your tune because the other week you were suggesting £100-150k as a good deal for Lynch.
Man Utd's debt is from the purchase by the Glazers. If it wasn't for that they generate enough money for their transfer policy. Pearson's bought us outright, so it's a different case for us. Rugby League has nowhere near the income football has and never will, that's why you don't have the same level of transfer activity, it cannot be sustained long term. The salary cap also restricts how much benefit that approach offers.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"See Sheldon's post and my reply.
As for Peacock/Lynch/Fielden on a small fee, that wouldn't be too bad but I don't see why their clubs would do so. And you've change your tune because the other week you were suggesting £100-150k as a good deal for Lynch.
Man Utd's debt is from the purchase by the Glazers. If it wasn't for that they generate enough money for their transfer policy. Pearson's bought us outright, so it's a different case for us. Rugby League has nowhere near the income football has and never will, that's why you don't have the same level of transfer activity, it cannot be sustained long term. The salary cap also restricts how much benefit that approach offers.'"
No what Im saying is I would pay the 100-150k no problem for high profile signing like a Peacock Or Lynch but think if we go by your way of thinking we may get them for a lot less. 100k to me is a small fee for the England Captain. What you might forget as well is this club is one of the few who make a profit and thats when we have been awful. Can u imagine the money the club could make in the long term with continued success?
The fact of the matter is we need props and we need top Grade A props not Grade c as Rule might put it
How much did Wigan pay for fielden? Wasnt it around 250k or more? Whatever it was it was well worth it as he helped them from being relegated. Im sure you would have been disgusted with that piece of buisness all that cash for a prop... Then there is the young lad Myler how much as he cost warrington? hasnt done much as he so as You can see buying young doesnt prove u are better in the long run. You go on about the younger plays who you expecting to sign for us and then somehow get a hell of alot better. Doesnt always go like that though thats the problem. Also what you have to understand is i am advocating money spent on props who are around the thirty mark. I would totally agree with you if it was paying for a 30 plus year old for the back line who would have lost alot of there pace. It will be interesting to see what Pearson does but I dont care who the new coach will be if he doesnt get the props sorted out we got no chance next year.
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| Quote ="Tongan Mafia"No what Im saying is I would pay the 100-150k no problem for high profile signing like a Peacock Or Lynch but think if we go by your way of thinking we may get them for a lot less. 100k to me is a small fee for the England Captain. What you might forget as well is this club is one of the few who make a profit and thats when we have been awful. Can u imagine the money the club could make in the long term with continued success?
The fact of the matter is we need props and we need top Grade A props not Grade c as Rule might put it
How much did Wigan pay for fielden? Wasnt it around 250k or more? Whatever it was it was well worth it as he helped them from being relegated. Im sure you would have been disgusted with that piece of buisness all that cash for a prop... Then there is the young lad Myler how much as he cost warrington? hasnt done much as he so as You can see buying young doesnt prove u are better in the long run. You go on about the younger plays who you expecting to sign for us and then somehow get a hell of alot better. Doesnt always go like that though thats the problem. Also what you have to understand is i am advocating money spent on props who are around the thirty mark. I would totally agree with you if it was paying for a 30 plus year old for the back line who would have lost alot of there pace. It will be interesting to see what Pearson does but I dont care who the new coach will be if he doesnt get the props sorted out we got no chance next year.'"
I don`t think Pearson will pay a transfer fee for an older player, i think he will only spend money on a young player were there is a potential future sell on price
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