what party, it's a conversation.

You could always contribute instead of moaning?

Seems a reasonable conversation to me?

I doubt we'll see 5,000 at the KCOM this year, never mind 8,000. In fact I don't think fans will be back this season.

Best we can hope is that a few hundred are allowed back at the start of 2021.

and that is the crux of it, how many and how and at what cost?

realistically we could open two stands, 1500 in each, who decides which pass holders etc.

Personal view on how safe it may be aside, I just can't work out the logistics or economics.

If cinemas can open “safely” within a closed environment, I don’t see how we can’t get some fans in the stadium, even if it’s 50 fans per block. I do fear you could be right though, not knowing the ins and outs of the kc agreement for hull fc, it could be challenging from that point. Probably more chance of getting in at an away game, open terraces at certain grounds surely doable

the probem, again, at open grounds is the distancing thing. Take Cas as an example, very crowded toilets, no physical barriers so you need more stewards, cash at turnstiles, a blumin nightmare logistically.

(and I am not being a spoilsport, I want to be back at games as much as anyone) but look at the rules in other venues. Very difficult times.

The bottom line is that there is no point opening grounds to fans only to make a loss.
We are in the hands of the SMC when it comes to implementing the measures that are needed (legally) to allow safe access.
I'd be surprised if Mr Allam offers us a good deal, we're already a financial burden according to their accounts.

Hopefully a streaming service will provide some much needed income until the end of the season.

Does anyone know the situation with pass holders money? Have people who pay monthly direct debit stopped paying them etc, will the club refund pass holders if no more games this season etc

the smc could then be in breach of contract...we pay rent and costs...anything else is their problem..if the go ahead is given, Pearson will want the gates open!

Hope you're right, but I suspect these "extras" will be negotiable.

Their get out clause will probably be that city are paying (exhorbitant charges), so we must as well.

At the end of the day i dont think this is going to be a difficult decision to make, simply because RL isnt going to be the front runner in trialling fans back in stadiums. If football prove they can get fans back in safely then we'll follow, otherwise i think pass holders who would have potentially opted out of a refund would be justified in asking for money back. If the football trials dont work then i think RL would just continue behind closed doors.

Agree, given that there has been an outbreak at a caravan park [url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/26/fresh-coronavirus-outbreak-shropshire-caravan-park/in Shropshire[/url I think there may well be a rethink on stadiums reopening anyway. October is still 12 weeks away so things could change a number of times (travel to Spain, for example)

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[url=http://www.transportengineer.org.uk/transport-engineer-news/istobal-develops-covid-19-disinfecting-arches/226204/Istobal (amongst others) have something that may help short to medium term[/url

..... and bankrupt the club.

Only my opinion, of course.

You're slightly missing my point.

Im saying its an easy decision either way as we'll just follow football.

Many fans, including myself will be willing to write off this years season ticket for the good of the club, if there's no way of getting fans back into the stadium.

However, my point was that SOME fans may feel differently if the trials in football were successful and fans are allowed back, but the club/RL CHOOSE not to allow fans in because the 33% capacity doesnt allow the opportunity to make money.

I think AP would be happy to cover costs, let alone make money.

Whether its making money or breaking even, a fans position on a refund could be different if it was an internal decision not to allow fans versus a blanket government decision not to allow fans.

Ok, I read it as "If football prove it's ok...." , if football proves it's not ok" a refund would be justified".



A reduction in capacity might be the only way to achieve social distancing, but football starts again in September, I can't imagine the big clubs surviving if season passes are cut by 66%. Or maybe the tv deals make supporters less relevant.

I agree, but we have the unfortunate spectre of the SMC to consider...

TV income dwarfs anything else in Prem Football...

correct, some premiership football clubs could survive on tv money alone with no other income

The whole of the 2020-21 football season in England could be played in front of reduced capacities.



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https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... am-4376372 Super League clubs offer fans without Sky Sports an opportunity to see every game in August Quote Season ticket holders and members will have exclusive access to live broadcasts of matches involving their teams in August after Super League came to an agreement with Sky Sports. Supporters who do not have Sky Sports will be able to watch the behind-closed-doors games via the Our League platform, either live or on demand.'"

Quote Clubs will contact their season ticket holders/members with details on how they can watch games.'" Quote ="Club Website"This announcement now allows the club to finalise their 2020 Membership Rebate Options, which will be published shortly.'" And here it is .... https://www.hullfc.com/blog/2020/07/30/ ... e-options/

Quote Clubs will contact their season ticket holders/members with details on how they can watch games.'" Quote ="Club Website"This announcement now allows the club to finalise their 2020 Membership Rebate Options, which will be published shortly.'" And here it is .... https://www.hullfc.com/blog/2020/07/30/ ... e-options/

Quote ="ccs"And here it is .... https://www.hullfc.com/blog/2020/07/30/ ... e-options/'" For me this decision is fair, personally I need nothing from the club, just the knowledge we can carry on. The worrying thing is the competition generally is under so much pressure, and other clubs probably not as secure as ours could falter, hopefully they can all survive to safer times, and we can all watch our great game once more.

Quote ="ccs"And here it is .... https://www.hullfc.com/blog/2020/07/30/ ... e-options/'" For me this decision is fair, personally I need nothing from the club, just the knowledge we can carry on. The worrying thing is the competition generally is under so much pressure, and other clubs probably not as secure as ours could falter, hopefully they can all survive to safer times, and we can all watch our great game once more.

These "test" events no longer taking place with spectators, behind closed doors now looking very likely for the rest of this season, I reckon.

lets not give up hope, Boris didnt rule it out completely