I am not normally one for singling out players for criticism but I thought he was really poor today apart from the 40 20. I have never thought he was really captain material.. He doesn't appear to show leadership when we go behind. For me we should let him go . We should be trying to keep players like Batch who always give 100 percent and despite his stupidity today we need to keep Fifita and stop wasting money on over 30s players who have been rejected by other clubs .

Pity you did not say that to Chester a few year ago

The owners need to publicly call him out - he’s been getting away with being a poor captain for far too long.

Couldn't agree more, when is he going.

We may stand a chance of beating the Dingles again when he goes over there.

Can take his idiotic mate with him too and save us a bit of brass

In order to do that we would have to be in the same competition , next season highly likely we will not be

Any body who says Miller was poor and fifita wants keeping I'm sorry their clueless a leader the chap isn't follow his example and you follow him over the cliff 20points to 4 in front a minute from the interval he gets sinnbinned toulouse score and every one knew what was going to happen a complete disgrace in the second half

As a player he’s made some meaningful contributions over the years but must go down as one of the worst captains for me.

Although we don’t know the dynamics, listening to many of this current squad in the press/on podcasts had built a pretty clear picture. The vibe from within the group that we lost a real leader in the dressing room when Kirmond moved on. Liam Kay also touched on some members of the current squad not knowing what the Cas fixture means to the club and the fans. Pretty damning.

It was a missed opportunity with Miller’s Covid disciplinary breaches to not make the change and give this group a shake up then.

I’d like to see the captaincy moved on with a mind on next season - should we manage to get out of this mess and start a rebuild. Let Miller concentrate on his rugby and battle it out with Lino, Walker & Gaskell for the halves spots without that burden till the end of the season.

Least dave was trying yes he had a brain fart but had he been on pitch for first 10 of the secind half we would of still lost and if you think any different then your clueless 1 body doesnt and shouldnt make that much a difference but the other 12 just gave up rather than fight

I'm not going to knock Fifita for one mistake yesterday - which may or may not have made a difference to the score, although he would have had to make one hell of a contribution to prevent what happened, had he stayed on the field!
Generally he's been a strong contributor during his time at Trinity. How many games has he helped us win?
The bloke tries, which is more than can be said for a lot of them.
Back to subject, there must be someone in the team more vocal and with more vitality than Miller! I'd seek that person out and relieve Miller of the Captaincy now, because we need that leader on the field NOW not next season!

He's an appalling Captain.

I have to say, a big thing we are missing and have missed since JD is a captain.

Miller puts a lot of effort in but he isn't the one to inspire others around him imho.

Miller’s game has probably suffered because of the extra responsibility that comes with Captaincy.

Given the state we are in there shud be plenty of players shouting and encouraging each other !! Pitts, Ashurst , Fifita…Arona to name but a few …all seasoned professionals !! Watching Wigan/Saints Cas etc it’s hard sometime to spot who is captain because there are multiple players giving input throughout the game both in encouragement or ranting !!

Dont think I can recall Kirmond or Demetriou shouting v much when things weren’t going well … they both led by example on the field but no ranting at players behind the posts after conceding etc .

That’s probably because they didn’t have to but by god it’s needed now!

Ha … selective memory I think there !! Lol

JD definitely did. There are lots of photos and clips of him barking orders.
All the players from that era comment on him as a leader on their podcast.

LMS is 36 and shows more pride , passion and effort than most of our players at half his age .Props are coming into their prime at around 30 , its not the signing of players of any age , it’s getting players that want to play for us ,that’s the problem ,and not treating us as a holiday camp ,or retirement home . Oust them at the earliest opportunity I say ,clear the decks . On a personal note I couldn’t give a monkeys if their 19 or 29 as long as they put the effort in and show pride in wearing the shirt ,something that has been sadly lacking for far too long by far too many ,and it’s simply unsustainable.

The club seems to be in limp mode, could it be because of the uncertainty regarding certain players.
I'm sure the club know now who will be stopping and who's going.
I personally don't know if Miller s a good player or not, I never have. He seems to float in and out of games without breaking any pots and very rarely has a barnstorming game.
I think he will probably go but who's available in our present situation.

He created 4 of our 5 tries as well as the 40/20. It always amazes me how every bad defeat is millers fault. When he's ripping it up at cas next season, perhaps those who don't watch the game properly might realise their error

Why? What's your evidence?

a 40/20 that led to the first try and all 4 tries he created.

watch the replay. 40/20 and either the pass or kick he delivered created all 4 of our tries.
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Given that we only scored 4 tries that is quite a statement.
He had no involvement in Hood's try and Walker provided the kick for Tanginoa.
The official stats give him 2 assists .. along with the 40/20, 5 missed tackles, 2 errors and 16 carries averaging 2 metres per carry.