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| How can we make the people of Wakefield come down to watch this city's high flying super league team. Waky have exceeded all expectations and continue to produce some great entertainment but it seems that crowds continue to dwindle. Big games at a critical part of the season watched by pathetic crowds, cant be all Sky's fault can it?
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| Marketing drives within the city, promoting the clubs and its recent upturn in fortunes, especially to areas where new housing has sprung up.
Maybe also offering incentives to attract them.
Ultimately, I think real positive news and action regarding the stadium would help the cause.
No its not all Skys fault but Thursday and Friday nights are tough. Not all fans drive, and some work until 5.30.
I think most of our away trips on these nights depart the ground prior. Sure fans of other clubs have the same issues.
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| The lads deserve more support but the Trin support is getting bigger. Thursday night matches have knocked the average attendance + lack of away fans only Hull and cas have brought a decent following this season. The state of Belle Vue and lack of progress on community stadium has an effect but I can see our support getting better and for a club that's won nothing in 60 years playing in embarrassing facilities our loyal hardcore support is there to build on.
Keep on as we are coupled with positive stadium news and I'd be hoping for above 6k average next season,we have the potential support out there. Get to the GF this season and we'll have over 20k claiming to be loyal fans.
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| Marketing could be improved, but the ground is the main issue with crowds IMHO. Like it or lump it - not everyone wants to pay 20 odd quid to watch a game of Rugby on a building site. A few friends of mine we're talking about getting more into Rugby League recently and were discussing which local team they would pick to follow out of Wakey, Leeds and Cas (Wakey being the most local). Wakey were discounted simply because of the state of the ground.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"
Keep on as we are coupled with positive stadium news and I'd be hoping for above 6k average next season,we have the potential support out there. Get to the GF this season and we'll have over 20k claiming to be loyal fans.
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I love an optimist! - but being a Trinity fan you have to be I suppose. I'm a little more pessimistic these days I'm afraid.
I'm sure a new stadium with better facilities would attract more, especially with the team playing as well as they are, but with absolutely no sign of anything happening stadium-wise, it will be status quo regarding attendances!
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| I, and others, on this forum have said many times before that the public of Wakefield are apathetic towards all spectator sports, not just rugby league. I agree that the ground issue is a big factor. Wakefield RU, Wakefield AFC and Wakefield CC all had reasonable ground accommodation but disappeared within a short time of each other, and Wakefiekd Trinity would have gone the same way if not for the shear doggedness (and money) of Michael Carter and Chris Brereton. We just can't get the Wakefield citizens off their s. Castleford could give us a good lesson on this subject.
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| [list[/list:u Quote ="Redscat"I, and others, on this forum have said many times before that the public of Wakefield are apathetic towards all spectator sports, not just rugby league. I agree that the ground issue is a big factor. Wakefield RU, Wakefield AFC and Wakefield CC all had reasonable ground accommodation but disappeared within a short time of each other, and Wakefiekd Trinity would have gone the same way if not for the shear doggedness (and money) of Michael Carter and Chris Brereton. We just can't get the Wakefield citizens off their s. Castleford could give us a good lesson on this subject.'"
I don't think the Wakefield public are apathetic they've just had to put up with 60 years of disappointment on and off the pitch. If the same happened to St Helens or Warrington or any other club they'd be the same. I can see a change happening and people are looking at our club in a more positive light good example is s few work colleagues who've not been for a few years are coming for the Wigan game as they've been impressed with what they've seen on TV this season and new stadium would change our image instantly. Plus I don't know the merchandise sales but we must have sold more than ever this season.
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| Quote ="Jizzer"Marketing could be improved, but the ground is the main issue with crowds IMHO. Like it or lump it - not everyone wants to pay 20 odd quid to watch a game of Rugby on a building site. A few friends of mine we're talking about getting more into Rugby League recently and were discussing which local team they would pick to follow out of Wakey, Leeds and Cas (Wakey being the most local). Wakey were discounted simply because of the state of the ground.'"
Grounds a massive hindrance everyone knows it, I don't take the kids because of the state of it but hopefully we will get it sorted and then we can really push on.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Grounds a massive hindrance everyone knows it, I don't take the kids because of the state of it but hopefully we will get it sorted and then we can really push on.
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I agree the ground is an issue but not to take your kids I find a bit strange, I've took all 3 of mine from an early age and now both my grandkids and never once thought anything else,but every one has a choice.
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| I'm not that sure that the state of the ground is as big an issue as a lot make out. We've had ground improvements over the last couple of seasons ie the north and west stands, but the crowds are less than the 7 or 8000 we were achieving during the Glover era. A lot of supporters that I speak to say that they would love to stay at Belle Vue. Also, how do you account for the demise of the other sporting clubs that I mentioned
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| Ultimately moving to a new ground would be ideal given it's in the right location but my point of view both my daughters stopped getting season tickets due to lack of student discount something they get at most other grounds so pick and choose there games as do all there mates ,the vast majority of armchair fans really don't know what there missing this season so there's the problem for so many years we were gash , as for Bellevue most people listen to what's broadcast constantly told its a tip strangely I've stood at most grounds and bizarrely I see the grass and field it's what s on it that will bring people back in we need a successful team with a final
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| Quote ="Redscat"I'm not that sure that the state of the ground is as big an issue as a lot make out. We've had ground improvements over the last couple of seasons ie the north and west stands, but the crowds are less than the 7 or 8000 we were achieving during the Glover era. A lot of supporters that I speak to say that they would love to stay at Belle Vue. Also, how do you account for the demise of the other sporting clubs that I mentioned'"
Wakey RU, name a Rugby Union club in this area that does well in the 80s they had a decent team and were probably the biggest club in Yorkshire, didn't Bradford Bulls contribute to their demise. Wakefield FC what do you expect? It would take years to establish a new football club, it'd love a professional Wakefield football club as it would make the stadium issues a lot easier.
If The club continues its progress on and off the pitch and stadium gets sorted we continue to add to our support and the club will get stronger.
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| Yes there were higher crowds in the Glover/Elston era, but the cost of a season ticket was much lower. So in effect we had a near on full ground, but unfortunately empty tills.
Maybe the costs of them do need looking at a bit, as they are higher than those of other clubs, but I would say snipping them rather than slashing the costs.
Its incentives thats needed to entice more fans to come in.
Mini packages, memberships that include other bonuses, getting out into the city more to promote the club. I even heard the other day about a super league club, that all season ticket holders receive a thank you from the club for their continued support. Sometimes that personal touch can go a long way in gaining new and retaining old business. Before the comments start, it wasn't Hull KR
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| Lets face it, unless you buy the Wakefield Express or have Sky sports then Wakefield Trinity do not exist in the lives / minds of the general public. Try it, do without those two sources of information and you will never hear the name of the club,let alone the sport of rugby league. Some of us are lucky enough to move in circles where the game is talked about but without mates and family who indulge themselves in our passion then how do the rest get to hear about the game? let alone our position in the league. I have always been a follower but in the late 70s I had other things to do and even for me, league dropped completely of my radar, and that included a time when Trinity went to Wembley. Glover had the right idea but as someone said, not enough money coming in.
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| I do sense the tide is turning slightly over the last couple of seasons with our continued success with people in general actually talking about the club again. There seems to be a little buzz in the pub, in the supermarket, around the town. I see more Trinity shirts than I did 5 years ago, there doesn't seem to be the numbers of Bulls or Rhinos shirts there used to be. Fans seem to be proud to wear their shirts, to stop and have a chat about the team. It doesn't seem much I know and whether it will increase numbers time will tell but I've certainly had a feelgood factor about the club since MC took over. We're heading in the right direction and as other posters have said, if we could only get some positive stadium news that would really give us a huge boost.
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| Maybe this should go on the stadium thread, but what happened to the deal offered by MC to the council regarding lending the funds then paying back with interest?
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| Quote ="Miro"Lets face it, unless you buy the Wakefield Express or have Sky sports then Wakefield Trinity do not exist in the lives / minds of the general public. Try it, do without those two sources of information and you will never hear the name of the club,let alone the sport of rugby league. Some of us are lucky enough to move in circles where the game is talked about but without mates and family who indulge themselves in our passion then how do the rest get to hear about the game?'"
Spot on. The only time I hear anything about Wakefield Trinity other than Sky Sports and the local papers is in the pubs on match days, and that's because the people are either going or have been to the game. Compare this to Castleford where the whole town literally lives and breathes Cas Tigers 365 days a year.
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| For those saying that the only way to hear about Trinity is the Wakefield Express or Sky, where do you expect to hear about them ?
Maybe we should be trying to get some local pubs to show re-runs of games and perhaps they can advertise more but, in reality, it's down to the fans to talk the club up a little more and get our friends interested in coming to a game.
There isn't a magic wand here, although, some on field success would certainly help.
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| certainly winning the Super league Grand Final would go a long way to informing the Wakefield public that a professional sports team exists in the town. Looking around the crowd the other night it strikes me that the majority of supporters seem to be middle aged/ older men which suggests we need to appeal more to the younger population of Wakefield somehow.
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| I'm not 100% sure that a new stadiums the answer to Trinity s prayers. Playing wise the clubs on the up and seems to be financially sound that's two massive strides taken in a short space of time.
Season ticket sales are generally sold to out and out supporters Wakefield challenge must be to get more people to want to buy them and that will not happen overnight.
Incentives will probably need to be offered to your more casual visitor to the ground. All sorts of offers could be introduced 2 for 3 etc etc.
Bell vue although past it can be a great place to visit and I don't think that your more casual supporter minds it's dated facilities.
I think younger supporters need accommodating more and would be interested to know how many student season ticket holders actually purchased a full season ticket.
Would it be possible for instance to throw the gates open against Catalans and have a family fun day at the same time.
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| Quote ="Redscat"I, and others, on this forum have said many times before that the public of Wakefield are apathetic towards all spectator sports, not just rugby league. I agree that the ground issue is a big factor. Wakefield RU, Wakefield AFC and Wakefield CC all had reasonable ground accommodation but disappeared within a short time of each other, and Wakefiekd Trinity would have gone the same way if not for the shear doggedness (and money) of Michael Carter and Chris Brereton. We just can't get the Wakefield citizens off their s. Castleford could give us a good lesson on this subject.'"
Hmmm, it would appear that way but I always hesitate to categorise a huge group of people. In theory, I cannot see any reason why the public of Wakefield would be any different to the public of any other town or city.
My feelings on attendances are as follows:
1. We look like we have a hard core of 4000 - 4500 judging by Thurs night attendances and the Catalans game when we are the only ones there. This is probably up on say 3 or 4 years ago but not by as much as it ought to be considering the past 2 seasons.
2. We are still in the middle of an economic black period; this we can do nothing about other than offers on ticket prices and we have been down this line before and the problems that cheap/ free tickets can create, though I do think we should do more to get young kids in. Our core support looks like it is ageing when I look around! We need to address this
3. The ground is the main issue. If you are not an aficionado of the sport but are looking for something to take up following or even an occasional visit, I am sad to say Belle Vue will put you off us. Bad weather I am sure knocks hundreds, if not thousands sometimes, off some games.
4. Marketing. I am not sure what the club does if I am honest as I live in Beverley so I might be missing local initiatives. But I see nothing in my Dad's letter pile in Horbury. Whilst I am sure cost is an issue, maybe we do need to target key groups. Maybe a bit of local market research if it hasn't been done already, is in order.
Just my thoughts. I don't think Wakefield folk are any more or less apathetic re sport than anyone else, personally
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| The people of Wakefield aren't apathetic to sport, but to most, they are happy to travel further afield to watch it as that's what they're used to doing for other top class sports. If they want to watch football then they travel to Leeds, Huddersfield or Barnsley etc. If they want to watch cricket then off they trot to headingley to watch the T20 or test matches, if they want to watch RU then it's off to Carnegie they head.
I think a major hit to Wakefield happened in the late 90s when Bradford Bulls were on the ascendancy, and they ran huge marketing campaigns in Wakefield etc to bring in fans from far and wide. It worked and often on match day you'd see fans travelling over to Bradford instead of to a local club. I always suspected that these weren't old trinity fans, but were new fans to the sport, then as times became harder both financially and for the Bradford club, these new people stepped away from the sport again.
As to what I think Wakefield could do to improve things; a weekly club email which gets sent to all fans who sign up for it, a thank you letter at around this time of year which thanks season ticket holders for their support and reminds them of any offers etc that can be used with the season ticket (meal discounts etc). Try to drum up local business support, have posters made which can be displayed in shop windows and banners made highlighting the next game (Leeds Rhinos are excellent at this). Get the players doing something which will get them on calender news or look North (for a good reason), something that's not necessarily related to rugby so will be in the main news segment.
Wakefield has a new university campus, it's nothing spectacular, but it's rife with students who may not be afford a ticket, doing a decent student discount as well as some savvy marketting might entice them to come along
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"The people of Wakefield aren't apathetic to sport, but to most, they are happy to travel further afield to watch it as that's what they're used to doing for other top class sports. If they want to watch football then they travel to Leeds, Huddersfield or Barnsley etc. If they want to watch cricket then off they trot to headingley to watch the T20 or test matches, if they want to watch RU then it's off to Carnegie they head.
I think a major hit to Wakefield happened in the late 90s when Bradford Bulls were on the ascendancy, and they ran huge marketing campaigns in Wakefield etc to bring in fans from far and wide. It worked and often on match day you'd see fans travelling over to Bradford instead of to a local club. I always suspected that these weren't old trinity fans, but were new fans to the sport, then as times became harder both financially and for the Bradford club, these new people stepped away from the sport again.
As to what I think Wakefield could do to improve things; a weekly club email which gets sent to all fans who sign up for it, a thank you letter at around this time of year which thanks season ticket holders for their support and reminds them of any offers etc that can be used with the season ticket (meal discounts etc). Try to drum up local business support, have posters made which can be displayed in shop windows and banners made highlighting the next game (Leeds Rhinos are excellent at this). Get the players doing something which will get them on calender news or look North (for a good reason), something that's not necessarily related to rugby so will be in the main news segment.
Wakefield has a new university campus, it's nothing spectacular, but it's rife with students who may not be afford a ticket, doing a decent student discount as well as some savvy marketting might entice them to come along'"
Excellent ideas imo
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| The ultimate best way to sell the game though is by winning games and making the home ground a fortress. Fans want to come and see a competitive game and their team win, we can all pretend to be happy in defeat, but the reality is that we want to feel the elation of watching your team win. While this year has been brilliant on the whole, the home form has been rather hit miss, which is a big drag. For the casual fan to spend £20+ each to maybe watch their team win it's a big ask, ask anyone in Castleford the same though and they're much less likely to see it as an issue now that WR is a fortress for them.
This isn't a knock at the team though, I know they've been fantastic and 100% committed in every game
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"For those saying that the only way to hear about Trinity is the Wakefield Express or Sky, =#FF4080where do you expect to hear about them ?
Maybe we should be trying to get some local pubs to show re-runs of games and perhaps they can advertise more but, in reality, it's down to the fans to talk the club up a little more and get our friends interested in coming to a game.
There isn't a magic wand here, although, some on field success would certainly help.'"
I don't know, see Keighly Cougers / Bradford Bulls circa 1995 perhaps. Plenty of ideas there.
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