Ok 50- 12 not good to say the least, but lets try and put this into some sort of context. We have been well and truly beaten by a team that is 3rd in Super League, and, as much as it pains me to say it, are playing some attractive expansive rugby. They are also the highest scoring team in the league. As I type, the team in 6th place (Hudds) have currently put 50 points past Bradford. If we had been hammered by Saints or Wigan, would the (over) reaction of some been as vitriolic. The fact that it's Cas seems to make it worse without actually giving some regard to where they are in the league. I know some of Agars selections and tactics seem mystifying, but, he is the coach, a paid professional, most of us are not. We can all say how much better or different we would/could do things, but if we were that good we would be Super League Coaches, not whatever profession we do now.

It's going to be a long hard season we have had glimpses of what may be in previous games, but we are locked in a battle with Bradford and Salford, and these are the games we must win. Like it or not, Cas are a very good team at the moment.

Sorry but imo the only thing that performance says is we need a new coach.

Absolutely woeful and again we have subs 3 mins before and 5 mins after half time.

I don't agree either. If I'd seen the sort of effort those young lads at Wigan gave last night then I would agree. Today I saw ( not for the first time ) a half hearted effort from my team. He can't motivate a team, he doesn't know how to and he never will.

As I said on the other thread i'm sure the usual suspects will be along to defend that 'performance'. Sorry but today was unacceptable. Too many people are willing to accept the failings of this club as par for the course. Well i'm afraid whilstever that happens the we will never move forward and today it was a case of one step forward, two miles back again. Yes Cas are a good side but they aren't a side that should be putting the cleaners through us. Agar AND the players need to take a good long look at themselves.

I'm not defending a poor performance, and i do think its time for a change, but this is the point i was making, Cas ARE a team that can do that, all the stats seem to indicate so at least.

We win two games and two threads on the subject. we lose one and we have several all basically saying the same but under different titles. I guess some of you find it easier to criticise than to say we lost and it will not be the last time this season. I would say what counts is our position after the final round and changing the coach would have little impact on that despite what you all hope.
I notice that every team who lose the supporters come up with the same idea let's change the coach they did it at Salford and I am still to notice much improvement.

Have you ever thought that the reason there are more threads after defeats and abject performances is simply because there are more defeats and abject performances.

Sorry but anyone who tries to condone non contests like today should not be watching a team who are supposed to be playing in a competitive sporting environment

Its not just bout changing coach for sake of it but agar is a waste of space too many plsyers playing out of postion or in siejka case cos he overseas player.can anyone say where seijka is better than wildie cos he aint so srnd him to eastmoor where he belongs get wildie as interchange hooker and get godinet with sammat at half back

So the team were shell-shocked at half time, I would suggest they better get used to it, based on that dismal performance, especially next week.

Utter BS. Are you actually Richard Agar? So because we play a form team we should not put any effort in concede 50 and just accept it and move on? Agar has had everything at his disposal to do well at Wakefield, don't give me the adversity card either every player sold has been replaced with equivalent quality.
The fact is he is duff he's getting the same results has Kear's last season who had nothing but kids and has beens to work with.

Where did I say we should accept it? all i said was put into the context of playing a top 3 side, and a result like that is not entirely unexpected. The reaction by some has been "because it was Cas" it should have been a closer result without looking at form, positions etc. Look, it's only my opinion, if you don't agree fair enough, no need to just dismiss it out of hand. And, no, I am not Richard Agar. It helps if you read what I actually put, rather than what you think I wrote.

The squad Agar has shouldn't concede 40-50 to anyone. The fact it does regularly speaks volumes of his coaching abilities. Nothing needs to be put into context.

It's not a question of condoning the performance but not immediately constantly wanting to push the panic button every time we lose. Why is is necessary to constantly start different threads all saying the same thing. I wonder if we added up the number of members who post Agar out etc.what it would total because I am sure you will find multiple posts by the same people saying the same but under different headings.
All forums of any team that lose you can find the same posts all demanding the ultimate solution replace the coach. If a club did that every time it was demanded on a forum, the average job life would be about a month.

Witch of these super duper players are coming to fev then on duel reg I can't wait....
Joking and banter apart though no way should wakey lose like that to anyone In super league they were just not on the ball today from kick off IMO

Have we been I in the bottom two positions whilst Agar in charge - No.
Has he had to rebuild the squad nearly every season - Yes.
The players he signed for nothing under his coaching did their value not increase to such a point that the money the club earned kept it in existence - Yes.
I would say not a bad report for such a poor coach but why let facts get in the way of your own personal prejudice.

Hopefully Mathers and on today's display Collis.

No iv heard he was offered to stanley rangers but they turned it down haha

Context. In 14 games this season we have conceded 40 points or more on 6 occasions and also 36 against Huddersfield. So in half of our games our defence hasn't given us a chance. That stat is way way too high and you have to question the attitude of the players in that case as well as the structures the coach has in place.

Isn't that the nature of the game nowadays though? Teams can score points a plenty and have been doing all season....

Look....I aint defending today....it was a massive game for us fans....a game we went into with a little confidence after the last few weeks.....we were abysmal.....no doubt about it.....the coach and the players all have to look at that today and work to improve and bounce back against Warrington.....

As one of the 3 favourites for relegation though (in just about everbody's book outside of Wakefield) from the start of the season, and now....is it that much of a surprise that we've leaked points like that in a number of games? Both our relegation rivals have done and still are doing.....even much better quality teams than us have shipped big points....Saints have conceded 40+ twice in the last month....and plenty of other sides have conceded the odd big score here and there....

It was always going to be like this....the aim is and always has been is to beat the drop....we are still very much on course for that.....we have to take the rough with the smooth....there will be more wins....but there will be more defeats like this...I've nodoubt about that....and that's whoever the coach is in my eyes....

Tell you what you can do with your "context", shove it up where the sun don't shine! There is no excuse for today's "performance", and surprise surprise the usual suspects come rushing to Agar's defence.

The context for me , is that we get beaten by the same margin, with a full squad as Bradford have with a patched up, get what players they can squad.

Im not sure you can actually quantify that,as we didnt need to pay a fee to sign the players as they were out of contract and we then made them available whilst under contract.
Applying your theory in reverse Gareth Ellis must have received some shocking coaching at Leeds,they paid Wakefield a fee for him and four years later he went to Wests for ZERO.

Kears performances were BETTER with that side!

I agree that Cas played very well and dominated us like the slightly too soft team we were. What I can't understand is where our urgency in attack and play of the ball went from last Friday night?
The main difference between the two sides all games was the urgency to play the ball and make quick meters to gain momentum running at the line. This was also present in most of Huddersfield's attack today. The whole 80 minutes of our game I saw none in Cas's 20. We never looked like threatening that line and we never utilised Walshaw when we got down there only just to get a few meters in the middle of the field.

So I ask what changed in a few days? The effort was there and the performance wasn't as many are saying dreadful but the urgency and decision making was terrible. The decision making is not coaching all the time its the players making instinctive decisions that cost us a few tries. The urgency in playing the ball is part of the coaching for me as well as the players determination.

Context for me....

We're sat at the half way stage of the season......around 8/9 months ago we were in absolute turmoil and looked totally doomed for this season.....we've had a number of people work incredibly hard behind the scenes to give us a fighting chance in what is the most important Super League season for many a year with relegation back....

12th place was always the target for this season....anyone, and I mean anyone would have bitten your hand off for that when all our problems became apparent....

Now at the half way stage we sit there in 12th with 4 wins against our names.....4 good wins aswell....we've probably lost a game or 2 we should maybe have won (Bradford Home) but won a couple that maybe we shouldn't (Hull/Widnes)....we've been awful in games a plenty but we've also played well in a couple and not got what we deserved outta the game....Salford (a) Saints (h)......so, all told thats at least 6 good performances from 13....nearly 50%.....for a team put together like ours at the last minute I dont think that's the worst return in the World overall?

Then onto the big subject of changing the coach....

Agar knows these players and has steadily progressed over the last few months, trying to find the best combinations etc...despite today's dreadful efforts and performance I still believe the players are playing for him and are right behind him.....2 season ago we had a very similar team put together and a similar start to the season....in the 2nd half of the season we ended with the 7 straight wins, so Agar already has form in the book for improving a late put together scratch side and getting results in the 2nd half of the season....I certainly think he's well capable of getting us enough to avoid the drop....

If we were to bring someone new in surely finance would dictate that they would be untried and untested thus making it a huge gamble and one that could set the side back weeks....can we afford to do that in such a crucial season?

For me, there is no-one out there for the price who could potentially get us as many wins in the 2nd half of the season as Agar could....whether he is the man to take us to another level should we avoid relegation and be financially well off enough to sign better players, then that is definitely open to debate....for me though he must stay this season....

Very tough loss today, but you've got to give credit where it's due and say Cas were just way too good for us on the day, and they are a side playing very, very well this season....just hope we can bounce back in the coming weeks....keep the faith...