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| Having just watched the highlights of the last game I can't believe that there is no-one in this world willing to invest in the brand that is Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Throughout our Superleague history we have always been the underdogs punching above our weight but have always achieved. And as for team spirit and fight within the club, there are very few teams in professional sport who have what Wakefield can offer. If I was someone looking to invest in a professional sports team, this is exactly the brand I would be looking for and as for sleeping giants there are none bigger!
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| I must admit I cannot understand why we cannot attract a backer.
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| Here Here. I cannot believe there isn't a rich business man that loves Wakefield Trinity and lives in Wakefield . Massive bug bearer of mine.
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| We are the Rocky Balboa of Super League. We have been through it all and we are still standing. I love this club we deserve better we really do !!
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| Quote ="jacques"I must admit I cannot understand why we cannot attract a backer.'"
If the RFL can't attract a paying sponsor for SL and have to resort to free advertising on the sides of lorries headed down the M1, then that pretty much illustrates why we struggle. Most of the big "investors" are also fans.
Football is only where it is because of TV rights and sponsorship, and even then, most clubs are many many millions ahead of us in terms of debt. But it doesn't seem to matter.
It's the RFL that need to deal with this. The problem is too great for the majority of clubs to handle. If they could, then the sport has massive potential IMO. Leaving WT aside, it is the best bloody sporting entertainment you could ever wish to get. Full stop.
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| I think the main problem is bums in seats. As a club historically Wakefield like many other clubs lose money. It's not often any business man will invest in a losing entity unless they see potential to turn it round or want an expensive toy to play with.
Whilst there is without doubt passion for the club in Wakefield it seems that this does not transfer to people through the gate. This is frustrating for me, the City is littered with "fans" that have not walked through the gates in years. This is the market sector for me the club should be targeting, but sadly events like the current situation give some justification for not turning up.
The question most serious investors will have is , does the club have potential to make money? At the moment and with a 2 team relegation next year, along with the debts currently faced by the club and stadium or lack of situation in the short term it does not look great.
Most clubs who have sugar daddies like Wigan, Wire etc have been turned around to be credible stand alone businesses.
I see potential in Salford due to their stadium and geographical location all be it they will be a long term project that will cost the Dr a fortune before he gets anywhere near turning them into a financially viable company.
People like Ken Davy at Huddersfield need a medal, I do not believe he ever thought he could make them financially viable, and were I a Giants fan it would be in the back of my mind that he is not going to be around forever. Davy is very much the exception to the rule sadly and I believe in the short term Wakefield fall into the expensive toy category of club, which makes us far less attractive as an "investment" as that is something we will not be as it will be a long time and high risk before someone is likely to see any returns.
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| Sadly, unless they are filthy rich or just plain daft, the only way someone would likely invest would be with a pre-pack admin. But that would involve losing points so if it isn't done very soon then it would come off next years points tally and relegation would be a certainty. The drop in income that would bring is a deal killer straight away.
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| Quote ="jacques"I must admit I cannot understand why we cannot attract a backer.'"
I guess out lack of assets won't help. No ground, so we have a Cat costume and what else?
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| Quote ="jonh"I think the main problem is bums in seats. As a club historically Wakefield like many other clubs lose money. It's not often any business man will invest in a losing entity unless they see potential to turn it round or want an expensive toy to play with.
Whilst there is without doubt passion for the club in Wakefield it seems that this does not transfer to people through the gate. This is frustrating for me, the City is littered with "fans" that have not walked through the gates in years. This is the market sector for me the club should be targeting, but sadly events like the current situation give some justification for not turning up.
The question most serious investors will have is , does the club have potential to make money? At the moment and with a 2 team relegation next year, along with the debts currently faced by the club and stadium or lack of situation in the short term it does not look great.
Most clubs who have sugar daddies like Wigan, Wire etc have been turned around to be credible stand alone businesses.
I see potential in Salford due to their stadium and geographical location all be it they will be a long term project that will cost the Dr a fortune before he gets anywhere near turning them into a financially viable company.
People like Ken Davy at Huddersfield need a medal, I do not believe he ever thought he could make them financially viable, and were I a Giants fan it would be in the back of my mind that he is not going to be around forever. Davy is very much the exception to the rule sadly and I believe in the short term Wakefield fall into the expensive toy category of club, which makes us far less attractive as an "investment" as that is something we will not be as it will be a long time and high risk before someone is likely to see any returns.'"
I agree with a lot of what you say but I am sick and tired of people criticising the people of Wakefield. Over the past 40 years the supporters of Wakefield Trinity have been lied to, deceived and cheated. I have lost count of the number of players who were apparently 'signed' in an effort to boost membership and who never arrived. I have lost count of the number of new horizons and fresh starts.
I wander how many fans of Wigan, Saints and Wire would have been going through their gates over the past two years had they been in a similar plight to Wakefield - I bet they wouldn't have averaged 8000 as we have!
The people and supporters of Wakefield Trinity deserve better, we've watched mostly mediocre rugby for years, seen our best players go elsewhere to come back and haunt us, and seen the sale of our ground.
If it isn't put right this time I'm done with it.
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"I agree with a lot of what you say but I am sick and tired of people criticising the people of Wakefield. Over the past 40 years the supporters of Wakefield Trinity have been lied to, deceived and cheated. I have lost count of the number of players who were apparently 'signed' in an effort to boost membership and who never arrived. I have lost count of the number of new horizons and fresh starts.
I wander how many fans of Wigan, Saints and Wire would have been going through their gates over the past two years had they been in a similar plight to Wakefield - =#FF0000I bet they wouldn't have averaged 8000 as we have!
The people and supporters of Wakefield Trinity deserve better, we've watched mostly mediocre rugby for years, seen our best players go elsewhere to come back and haunt us, and seen the sale of our ground.
If it isn't put right this time I'm done with it.'"
Unfortunately the people of Wakefield have only come out in those numbers when we are either in this plight like the Cas million pound game or when they are given a cheaper option to get the ticket.
We need to be able to get the same people for a better price unfortunately.
It is an age old problem of sales. You have to find the price point to maximise the cash. More purchases for less or less purchases for more.
I'm not sure where the optimum is, and unfortunately Glover tried for a particular point that didn't work.
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"I agree with a lot of what you say but I am sick and tired of people criticising the people of Wakefield. Over the past 40 years the supporters of Wakefield Trinity have been lied to, deceived and cheated. I have lost count of the number of players who were apparently 'signed' in an effort to boost membership and who never arrived. I have lost count of the number of new horizons and fresh starts.
I wander how many fans of Wigan, Saints and Wire would have been going through their gates over the past two years had they been in a similar plight to Wakefield - I bet they wouldn't have averaged 8000 as we have!
The people and supporters of Wakefield Trinity deserve better, we've watched mostly mediocre rugby for years, seen our best players go elsewhere to come back and haunt us, and seen the sale of our ground.
If it isn't put right this time I'm done with it.'"
I believe Wigan were averaging some of there biggest crowds in recent history in the relegation threatened year, when they were playing some appalling rugby.
Year on year though I agree it is tough to take.
The frustration I have is that you go into a local boozer and strike up a conversation with a diehard Wakefield fan, who will have opinions on this that and the other and then you find out they have not been through the gates in the last decade.
If we could get 10% of that fan base back through the doors I think the revenue benefits to the club would be huge.
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| selling our best players wont bring the fans back ,50k for k.amor but what will it cost in lost support.
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| Quote ="roverman"selling our best players wont bring the fans back ,50k for k.amor but what will it cost in lost support.'"
I'd like to have got more for Amor but if that's the best offer on the table you have to take it.
Everyone keeps saying this but if the choice is a) Sell some players and have a "Club" to support or b) Hang on to players in the hope that people will buy a Season ticket and then go under.......Which would you prefer??
Before the details of the crisis came out and before we announced we would have to sell players, Season Tickets were put on sale at a bargain price and how many bought them?? Not many.
If we have to sell every player we have that brings in any money and start the season with the Under 19's as our squad I'd do it.
We might not have much of a chance of finishing in the top 12 in that scenario, but we've got more chance than if we can't start the season at all because we've been liquidated.
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| Quote ="roverman"selling our best players wont bring the fans back ,50k for k.amor but what will it cost in lost support.'"
At the moment it's not about getting a return on player investment, it's survival.
If we weren't skint, Amor and T.Smith (plus more) wouldn't be sold at all.
Although my view may be slightly biased, Amor is better than Chris Hill at Warrington, who the RL world are still in awe of and he's got plenty of years left in him.
I still cant understand why Leeds didn't sign him back up last season
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| all im saying is if you sell your best players you will lose support and kill interest in the club,this happened in 1979 when the cup final team was sold off lock stock and barrel , we ended up in the second division with dire gates and a poor team the club never really recovered from it ,and has probably lead us to this situation we are in now with no ground and no money . i dont know the answers to the clubs problems,but selling your best players is a dangerous game. and alianates the supporters like it would at any other club. if theres nobody to watch they wont come.
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| Quote ="roverman"all im saying is if you sell your best players you will lose support and kill interest in the club'"
Whereas not selling some of them will kill the club .....
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| I am fed up of being a laughing stock you say sell and save the club. I believe we have lost or are about to lose 6 senior members of last seasons squad with only limited impact on the 400,000 debt. How many more are to go before we can say yes we have cleared the debt but unfortunately the loss of income from the reduction in season and match tickets sales plus our certain relegation means our salary payments are once again too high and need to be trimmed more. I would be surprised if many of the retained players are on contracts that go beyond 2014 because they know that with the way other teams are recruiting we face only one outcome. I guess we could have two competitive matches against London.
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| Quote ="Agent XIII"I am fed up of being a laughing stock you say sell and save the club. I believe we have lost or are about to lose 6 senior members of last seasons squad with only limited impact on the 400,000 debt. How many more are to go before we can say yes we have cleared the debt but unfortunately the loss of income from the reduction in season and match tickets sales plus our certain relegation means our salary payments are once again too high and need to be trimmed more. I would be surprised if many of the retained players are on contracts that go beyond 2014 because they know that with the way other teams are recruiting we face only one outcome. I guess we could have two competitive matches against London.'"
yeah we are all xxxxxxx fed up with it time after time and we are all looking to how we can get out of it. Without being funny what do you suggest the solution is other than sell off players ? All ideas welcome here and on Monday at Belle V
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| Sell the roofs?
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| Lets be inivotive. Get rid of shirts and shorts. Lets have the players play in a jump suit next season like a F1 suit. Cover it in sponsors. Media coverage alone should get people wanting to have their name on it!
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| Wakey players in onesies? I'm not having that!
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| No super league club has a brand value, in fact as others have posted, neither does the sport really, reason? its not global, or national in all honesty, and theres too much competition for sponsonship at present.
hard times, and time for some realism, too many people have paid too little to watch wltrlfc, and thats right across the board, from freebies, to life members, to sponsors, and mainstream supporters
would be interesting to do an audit of who actually paid to get in on sunday at full price!
so theres an idea, make all matchday entry pay on the day and no deals??? would the hardcore buy it?
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| Quote ="chapster"No super league club has a brand value, in fact as others have posted, neither does the sport really, reason? its not global, or national in all honesty, and theres too much competition for sponsonship at present.
hard times, and time for some realism, too many people have paid too little to watch wltrlfc, and thats right across the board, from freebies, to life members, to sponsors, and mainstream supporters
would be interesting to do an audit of who actually paid to get in on sunday at full price!
so theres an idea, make all matchday entry pay on the day and no deals??? would the hardcore buy it?'"
Not aware of there being many if any Life Members. My Life Membership (and all others as far as I was aware) was lost when Wakefield Trinity RLFC Ltd went into administration. In any event I didn't use it so and paid to watch so it was not a problem for me.
Not sure of your point about sponsors. If someone has paid to sponsor the match or match ball they are not watching for free they have paid and more than £20 per person.
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