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A new campaign of scaremongering leaflet dropping from the Newmarket Laners ... yet again they are sailing very close to the wind as many of their statements are untrue and could be construed as libellous
They have made a direct attack on the Council this time with no mention at all of sporting facilities.
www.wakefieldangryresidents.com/
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A new campaign of scaremongering leaflet dropping from the Newmarket Laners ... yet again they are sailing very close to the wind as many of their statements are untrue and could be construed as libellous
They have made a direct attack on the Council this time with no mention at all of sporting facilities.
www.wakefieldangryresidents.com/
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| I guess the problem the council has with these things is it can't sue for libel as it would put them in a bad light....as a Stanley resident, I wonder why I never get these leaflets about something which is going to cause me so many 'problems' - especially as an unemployed user of public transport, with buses getting stuck in all this traffic on Aberford Road causing me to be late to sign on.
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| What a disgustingly pitched campaign!
Here is my response which was sent to their email address:
I know not what your motives are but I can guess they are less than honest and are also personal.
The website and information contained is wrong on many counts both factually and morally and you should be ashamed of the scaremongering campaign you have started.
Let’s take the front page of this site one piece at a time:
=#FF0000To question the public spending by Wakefield Council.
Wakefield council are NOT funding this development!
=#BF0000This proposed development has not been widely publicised
This development has been widely reported in the press it has also been the subject of a public forum in which local residents were invited to attend and discuss the development with Yorkcourt Properties and other parties. The plans for the development were on display for all to see.
The plans are also due to be displayed for a number of weeks in the Ridings Centre.
The Outline Planning permission has been lodged via the normal channels for such a development and as such there has been notification in the press.
The council’s planning office has been open to letters and messages of objection and support in the normal way.
Wakefield Trinity's involvement in the plans has brought a huge amount of extra publicity via a number of high profile publications such as The Wakefield Express and the Yorkshire Evening Post.
A number of local politicians have spoken openly about their views in a number of public forums.
This hardly fits your description of "not being widely publicised!
=#FF0000This development includes 24 hour distribution centres, industrial units, offices, a hotel and fast food chains
You quote these buildings and businesses as though they were a bad thing, in what way?
=#FF0000Does this District of Wakefield really need more industrial units, hotels and fast food chains?
We certainly do need these businesses and the JOB OPPORTUNITIES that they will bring, something which you have conveniently omitted from your list. The number of permanent jobs to be created by this development is approx 2,000 to 2,500. I ask you, in these times of financial meltdown, with families carrying record amounts of debt, with little prospect of any kind of relief or help and with people losing their homes due to lack of employment opportunities how can you in good conscience oppose this development and the prospects of a new beginning it will bring to many families across the district.
=#FF0000Especially at the expense of Green Belt land, open fields, thousands of trees, hedgerows, wildlife and cycling / walking pathways?
This is wrong on so many counts that it is almost criminal that you have put it in writing!
The area of land in question is the former Newmarket Colliery site; it is a fly tipping hot spot and is very much unkempt at best. It certainly isn't the wildlife Shangri-La or hive of leisure activity that you try to describe. You also conveniently fail to mention that the net result of this development will be an INCREASE IN GREEN BELT LAND! You fail to make mention of the almost universal backing for the development by the many Wildlife, Heritage and Conservation organisations who have studied the plans in detail.
In your satellite map you make mention of Aberford Rd as the=#FF0000 "MAIN RD TO THIS DEVELOPMENT" which is wrong as well you know. This development will be serviced by the M62 with access road being constructed and improved so as to avoid any build up of traffic. You also fail to mention the developer’s plans to improve existing roads, some of which are currently accident black spots. There is also no mention of the restrictions for commercial traffic which are to be set in place regarding access to roads which lead to residential areas.
I urge anyone who visits this site to take the time and make the effort to read the plans for this development before forming their opinions based on this websites skewed version of the facts.
I also ask that the owner of this website to show this message on the site! I do this in the interests of fairness and also to allow those who might see this website the chance to make their decisions of objection or support based on fact and not innuendo, scaremongering and distorted half truths.
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Quote ="Catwoman1"A new campaign of scaremongering leaflet dropping from the Newmarket Laners ... yet again they are sailing very close to the wind as many of their statements are untrue and could be construed as libellous
They have made a direct attack on the Council this time with no mention at all of sporting facilities.
www.wakefieldangryresidents.com/'"
I love the bit where they say it's all been done in secret and nobody knew of the plans including Leeds council and this as caused huge problems between the 2 cities.Unbelievable what they will stoop to.
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Quote ="Catwoman1"A new campaign of scaremongering leaflet dropping from the Newmarket Laners ... yet again they are sailing very close to the wind as many of their statements are untrue and could be construed as libellous
They have made a direct attack on the Council this time with no mention at all of sporting facilities.
www.wakefieldangryresidents.com/'"
I love the bit where they say it's all been done in secret and nobody knew of the plans including Leeds council and this as caused huge problems between the 2 cities.Unbelievable what they will stoop to.
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| Well done Richard - excellent post
However I think hell will freeze over before they display it on their site!!!
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| I have sent emails to wccg and to methley messenger, with my views on their anti stadium/development views and have yet to receive any contact, this is two months later!
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| Quote ="Catwoman1"Well done Richard - excellent post
However I think hell will freeze over before they display it on their site!!!'"
Agree excellent post,but they know exactly what they're doing.They know the truth but they are trying their best to deceive the local community or any who will listen to them.They don't care of any of the positives or the benefits of the development, it all comes down to for them NIMBY.
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| The site smacks of desperation to me. I say give them enough rope. Anyone with any sense will eventually see them for what they are. After the opening lines about all the trees and greenbelt there's the aerial photo marking the proximity of the M62 and I can't see that many trees. What's all this about fast food outlets?
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| Seems ultra anonymous,at least we at SWAG have our individual names posted on our website!!
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| Quote ="JINJER"Seems ultra anonymous,at least we at SWAG have our individual names posted on our website!!'"
Indeed. He has now taken his name off of the registration for one of the business websites.
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| Second e-mail sent regarding the Wakefield Council link and the statements made on that page.
Following on from my recent e-mail to you regarding this website, please find below my response and some questions regarding your statements.
=#BF0000Your Council has paid £150,000 of ratepayer’s money into a "Trust" to pay for a feasibility study on the proposed development
The money in question is in actual fact a loan, which is repayable in full plus interest when the funding is released after planning permission is granted
=#BF0000Your Council has backed loans to all three Wakefield rugby clubs - all privately owned - by offering millions of pounds worth of council-owned land as a guarantee
The land in question is indeed owned by the council but is classed as undevelopable and is therefore lying fallow and unused by anyone for any other purpose. The use of this land as collateral will help Wakefield Council achieve their goal of providing world-class sporting facilities for the wider use of the community; I fail to see how this is an inappropriate way of using this Wakefield Council asset.
=#BF0000MILLIONS of square feet of industrial units lie empty in Whitwood and Normanton
Can you substantiate your claim that [i"millions of square feet of industrial units lie empty"[/i in this area? Please reply to my e-mail stating the source of your facts.
=#BF0000Yet more "tin sheds" at Stanley
Once again I assume you are using this derogatory term to describe the businesses which will provide job opportunities to approximately 2,500 residents from the local area.
=#BF0000Councillor Box and his deputy Councillor Denise Jeffery (Labour - Castleford Central & Glasshoughton) have presided over the secrecy which has surrounded the Council's relationship with developer Yorkcourt Properties?
What secrecy? I refer you to the answer I gave in my first e-mail to you regarding public forums, normal planning procedures, which include press releases, high-profile news articles, page after page of web space on various Internet websites, the displaying of the plans in Wakefield's Ridings shopping centre and the very public forum organised and run by the developer at which local residents were able to put questions directly to the architects, members of the charitable trust, representatives of Wakefield Council and Wildcats.
=#BF0000FAILED to notify their neighbours at Leeds City Council of the full proposal
Whilst Wakefield Council has no obligation to consult with Leeds council regarding developments in the Wakefield area, they were professional and courteous enough to communicate their plans with the relevant people at Leeds City Council. So once again, I am bemused by the source of your facts as they are very wide of the mark and once again I ask you to respond to this e-mail stating your source in order that I might verify your statement.
Finally....
=#BF0000Roy Bickerton
You're desperate attempt to link this controversial individual with the Newmarket developments is underhand and dishonest in its own right! This transparent attempt to smear the good name of those people involved at Wakefield Council, Yorkcourt Properties and Wakefield Trinity is yet another shameful tactic employed by you.
I would welcome the courtesy of a response to my e-mails
Thank you
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| ... I suspect you will be waiting a long time for the reply.
Drove passed a couple of elderly NIMBYS this morning putting the new leaflets through doors on Aberford Road near Newmarket Lane. If I'd had more time, and no Trinity stickers in the car I would have stopped and asked them about the pack of lies they are peddling
There is a double sided A4 letter with the flyer (I have a copy of both now from my 'mole' down Bottomboat) .... Stanley to Methley flooded by sewage, 5000 cars trying to park down Bottomboat and Moorhouse, on an Iron Age Settlement, otter and water vole habitats completely destroyed, litter everywhere etc.. etc.. etc..
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| Quote ="Catwoman1"... I suspect you will be waiting a long time for the reply.
Drove passed a couple of elderly NIMBYS this morning putting the new leaflets through doors on Aberford Road near Newmarket Lane. If I'd had more time, and no Trinity stickers in the car I would have stopped and asked them about the pack of lies they are peddling
There is a double sided A4 letter with the flyer (I have a copy of both now from my 'mole' down Bottomboat) .... Stanley to Methley flooded by sewerage, 5000 cars trying to park down Bottomboat and Moorhouse, on an Iron Age Settlement, otter and water vole habitats completely destroyed, litter everywhere etc.. etc.. etc..'"
Realistically I don't expect to receive a reply neither do expect them to post my message on the website however, if they ever partake in a public forum I would use my correspondences with them and their lack of professionalism in replying, against them.
I hate the way that this or these individuals can peddle this crap without any kind of comeback, you'd think in this day and age that there would be some way to force these people into retracting their comments and posting some kind of apology, though I suspect that's Wishful thinking on my part.
I hope these people get exposed for what they are as publicly as possible sometime soon
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| hmm let me do some investigation but I think this Roy Bickerton may in fact be a featherstone supporter, i'll report back when I find out
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| He also lost his seat to the Labour candidate in yesterday's election.
So not only was he suspended, he's also no longer a councillor. How embarrassing to have linked him in a negative way to this non-council funded project. How potentially libelous. How rude...
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| Oh dear thats not very clever, to have a leader with a murky backgound
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Oh dear, here we go again.
It is clearly the same person (and some of his neighbours) behind Wakefield CCG and we already know who that is! The website layout, the language, it is all the same as the other site.
He has gone to greater lengths this time to formally conceal his identity and the site www.wakefieldangryresidents.com has been registered through Tucows and he is using an identity security service to conceal his registration details. I understand that this is easier to do with a .com address rather than a .co.uk address.
Mrs Armadillo, who is the communications professional in our house, thinks it probably does libel the council but that they are unlikely to do anything about it as it is not worth the effort or money!
I am going to post this on my original thread. I spoke to the Wakefield Express and they have back-tracked slightly about a pro-residents story! They DO want to run the story but not until there is a reason (in their eyes) to run it! So maybe another a development in the story, near to the planning meeting itself etc. It is a little disappointing but it is yes, but when they say yes unfortunately!
Watch this space, we need to keep fighting the rubbish being peddled by these NIMBY's.
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Oh dear, here we go again.
It is clearly the same person (and some of his neighbours) behind Wakefield CCG and we already know who that is! The website layout, the language, it is all the same as the other site.
He has gone to greater lengths this time to formally conceal his identity and the site www.wakefieldangryresidents.com has been registered through Tucows and he is using an identity security service to conceal his registration details. I understand that this is easier to do with a .com address rather than a .co.uk address.
Mrs Armadillo, who is the communications professional in our house, thinks it probably does libel the council but that they are unlikely to do anything about it as it is not worth the effort or money!
I am going to post this on my original thread. I spoke to the Wakefield Express and they have back-tracked slightly about a pro-residents story! They DO want to run the story but not until there is a reason (in their eyes) to run it! So maybe another a development in the story, near to the planning meeting itself etc. It is a little disappointing but it is yes, but when they say yes unfortunately!
Watch this space, we need to keep fighting the rubbish being peddled by these NIMBY's.
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| One good pointer is that fact that both sites are hosted by the same company Heart Internet Ltd as the wakefieldccg site and the facethefutre one
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Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Oh dear, here we go again.
It is clearly the same person (and some of his neighbours) behind Wakefield CCG and we already know who that is! The website layout, the language, it is all the same as the other site.
He has gone to greater lengths this time to formally conceal his identity and the site www.wakefieldangryresidents.com has been registered through Tucows and he is using an identity security service to conceal his registration details. I understand that this is easier to do with a .com address rather than a .co.uk address.
Mrs Armadillo, who is the communications professional in our house, thinks it probably does libel the council but that they are unlikely to do anything about it as it is not worth the effort or money!
I am going to post this on my original thread. I spoke to the Wakefield Express and they have back-tracked slightly about a pro-residents story! They DO want to run the story but not until there is a reason (in their eyes) to run it! So maybe another a development in the story, near to the planning meeting itself etc. It is a little disappointing but it is yes, but when they say yes unfortunately!
Watch this space,=#FF0000 we need to keep fighting the rubbish being peddled by these NIMBY's.'"
how can we when they open up new website's with information that is wrong ?
as for Wakefield Express I have contacted them about some fly tipping involving their mid week extras, bundles of them still strapped up have been dumped on snow hill instead of being delivered but they haven't got back to me,
I fear they have made their mind up about our club and just don't want to support us can we not go national to show them up ?
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Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Oh dear, here we go again.
It is clearly the same person (and some of his neighbours) behind Wakefield CCG and we already know who that is! The website layout, the language, it is all the same as the other site.
He has gone to greater lengths this time to formally conceal his identity and the site www.wakefieldangryresidents.com has been registered through Tucows and he is using an identity security service to conceal his registration details. I understand that this is easier to do with a .com address rather than a .co.uk address.
Mrs Armadillo, who is the communications professional in our house, thinks it probably does libel the council but that they are unlikely to do anything about it as it is not worth the effort or money!
I am going to post this on my original thread. I spoke to the Wakefield Express and they have back-tracked slightly about a pro-residents story! They DO want to run the story but not until there is a reason (in their eyes) to run it! So maybe another a development in the story, near to the planning meeting itself etc. It is a little disappointing but it is yes, but when they say yes unfortunately!
Watch this space,=#FF0000 we need to keep fighting the rubbish being peddled by these NIMBY's.'"
how can we when they open up new website's with information that is wrong ?
as for Wakefield Express I have contacted them about some fly tipping involving their mid week extras, bundles of them still strapped up have been dumped on snow hill instead of being delivered but they haven't got back to me,
I fear they have made their mind up about our club and just don't want to support us can we not go national to show them up ?
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