It was an impossible situation from them receiving the ball at the start of the 2nd half ! They were fully prepared to blitz us
for the 10 mins we were a man down and did it to perfection . With our stronger tacklers off the field ( Arona Whitbread Hood ) our constant defending just led to more and more errors ! Should Poching have changed his subs rotation to shore us up for this blitz .. yes imo . But the more you see Fifitas incident the more ridiculous it was of him to do it ! Christ knows what was going through his head

Ok.

Down to 12 men.

So why not start the second half with Hood and Whitbread. Both were rested and both are top defenders. We needed damage limitation!!

He then brings both back on when the game is totally lost.

Unless there were other issues that in my opinion were terrible tactics. And it’s not the first time.

I’m no coach but sadly neither is Willy or not yet.

It wasn’t the Fifita sending off that was a killer or it shouldn’t have been it was the Butler one. Had we restricted them to two tries in that first ten minutes as you’d expect we’d probably have wine even if Butler walked.

Also in the first half Milker wanted to run the ball. He knew Toulouse were shot but we took two. Had we bagged another six I doubt Dave would have imploded.

Yes it’s all hindsight but trying to anticipate the outcome is the coaches primary job.

It’s very simple, 12 months on WP in no further on than CC, in fact we’ve gone backwards.

Perhaps you need a good head of rugby like what we have, who has helped to get superb overseas players like MacDonald, Ipape, Asiata, Amone and Ferguson!!

We do have one who is at Leigh. We are paying him his 2022 wages….mind boggling isn’t it how we are paying Chester who is at Leigh.

In honesty though Chesters recruitment has been questionable at best for trinity. He signed the likes of Gaskell/Lineham on long deals.

It was correct to get rid of Chester and in fact we waited too long.

Biggest error of all, not playing batch at centre. With Bowden and Bowes obviously fit we could have covered for batch moving from the pack.

it's more the purse what we need

Yes, I still can’t wrap my head around it. 2 x MOTM performances at right centre and we move him and that side falls to bits in defence and attack.

The other one is Poching moving Crowther back to 9. Thats a severely poor move imo with an actual 9 sat in the stands.

Have to be careful what I say here because on the whole I thought Hicks had a decent game but, he is the ref and I'm sure he can justify his decision aided by Fifita, but I noted that for a period in the second half that everything seemed to go their way as been illustrated by other posters on here, the Pitts incident springs to mind for sure, you can argue while the cows come home about the if's and buts, but for me it all stems from the pressure put on the team by those two especially Fifita, we were comfortable we didn't have to score, just had to contain them like we did in the first half, a lot of energy spent in the first half all wasted for absolutely nothing as it turned out, frustration does not come close mate, I could say I'm nearly as frustrated as when you ate my last pork pie in Bridgendicon_wink.gif

Don’t have he answers, but your constant BLAH: BLAH: BLAH certainly issue the answer. Have your ever given up on a family member that’s given you grief or did you support them?

You do realise that Wakefield Trinity is a sports club and you are not related. It is possible to talk to a family member to discuss the problem and would you keep giving them money without question. This is not quite so easy with our current incumbents who actively avoid direct discussion but you give them money to spend how they feel fit.

Why? Who have you tried to talk to?
And what did you want to say to help the situation?

It's hard to argue with any of that tbh. I would add that Bowden should have got the nod over Butler too , unless he was injured.
Otherwise why have we signed him ?

If they read the forum they would have removed Chester at least two seasons ago thereby avoiding the waste of money on his signings for example. The problem is if they do they pay no attention and any meetings they have online are subject to pre submitted and audited questions, nothing off the cuff.
If you can come up with any other way the club encourages discussion with supporters please let the forum know. I would also add that I may have missed it but have either the Chairman or CEO made any apologies to those supporters spending money and witnessing performances like that against Salford.

You've got to be kidding. There is hardly any agreement on this forum of what to do. Only that they don't like it. How are they to work that out?

But I guess what you are saying is you are expecting them to come and talk to you.

Personally, I'd rather they go to other professionals for advice.

Well I don’t know the professionals they are talking to but it’s not working too well. Why should they want to talk to me, they don’t want to talk to any supporters even those like you.

You don't know that at all.
All you know is they are not coming to you. Which amazing as it sounds I'm OK with.

The performances say they are not talking to the correct professionals but I doubt they are actually seeking help and I am fine with them not coming to me because if we are relegated it is their relegation no one else.

So what's your problem? A couple of posts ago you were moaning because they didn't take advice from this forum?

To say Poching can’t coach is i feel wrong. Maybe though there’s an argument that it’s a head coach role that isn’t for him. I think he knows his stuff but he’s probably just too nice and maybe lacks the ability to be ruthless and make the tough decisions on the run that good head coaches and managers need to do. He does seem a little confused with some of his selections as well right now, there’s a worry that there is a lack of clarity in his decision making going on. But many good judges have given him coaching jobs, he must be doing something right somewhere.

I do think Willie probably gets a little more credit in the bank than some might due to a few factors. Firstly he took over an under-performing but also unbalanced squad from the last coach who had already blown a large amount of this years budget on garbage like Gaskell & Lineham. He also is well thought of by all due to his time as a player with the club, something that always helps. He has just signed a couple of his own players that we have yet to see in action. If we are backing him with signings then i imagine he is going to get chance to show what he can do with them in the side. His signings hit rate has been ok, a couple of hits and a couple of misses, that happens. And actually given everything he currently has a respectable career win rate of about 41% i think. 11 wins in 27 games i believe, thats probably about 10th over a season which is about the whereabouts of the quality of this squad. Would anybody else who is available (please don’t say Tony Smith, not going to happen) do any better with this lot? It’s unlikely.

In my personal opinion he deserves a little longer to prove himself. His next 3 are a very winnable game against Hull KR, a free hit against Saints and a derby game versus Cas. That takes us until the end of the month and around the same amount of games remaining as when Chester got the push last year and when Kear came in in 2006. If there’s no signs of improvement by then maybe it will be time. But for now he retains my support.

That's not true, MC always makes time to talk to supporters. He doesn't hide away at matches.

Johnstone, lynne, Tupou , That’s some serious fire power that as been unavailable for big parts of the season . Bring in Gaskell n lineham in the off season supposedly to bolster the squad and it doesn’t take a genius to realise why we are where we are . Hindsight is a wonderful think but I’d like to think that if fifita and butler had kept on the field yesterday, and Lino hadn’t failed a fitness test we wouldn’t be having all this vitriol spouted all over social media .

100% spot on.

Just watched les Cats bite the dust after fielding a seriously weakened squad against a team that couldn’t buy a win over the last few months. Look at Wigan who were in control of their game until compulsive grub Singleton tipped the scales in st favour , and they don’t turn those type of invites down . Judge poching when we eventually have a full squad on the park I say ,you’d struggle with an NRL coach to get more out of this lot at present ,we are simply down on quality, the quality we do have ,most of which I’ve already alluded to are sat out .

That's why, for me, the blame lies at MC's door. We let things drift and stagnate too long, then go for the cheap option. It doesn't always work.

I said it about 12 months ago, these are Chester's players, and until some of these have moved on, we won't be able to judge Poching properly.

If WP wants a piece of advice don’t play Croft next week because he will be up against Kenny Dowell who will have a field day, looking at what he did today, even in defeat.