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| Quote ="vastman"OK but look what you're left with. MC has already stated next year will be even tighter whilst the rest of our pack really are ageing fast.
I'm not disagreeing with you but he's going to cost and it will hit other recruitment.'"
If there ever was a season that we need to break the bank then its the next one (providing we survive this year)
We must hit the ground running as we enter the improved stadium, we need a feeling of positivity to get our support base expanded and retain supporters. Better facilities are great, but you still need a good team on the pitch to get the whole club building and growing.
Perhaps breaking the bank is not the right term, lets say invest more than we normally would in order to gain far bigger benefits in the near future
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"If there ever was a season that we need to break the bank then its the next one (providing we survive this year)
We must hit the ground running as we enter the improved stadium, we need a feeling of positivity to get our support base expanded and retain supporters. Better facilities are great, but you still need a good team on the pitch to get the whole club building and growing.'"
Although it won't be as dour as MC makes out, he is an accountant after all, it won't be a spending season I can assure you. Everything next year will depend heavily on the younger squad members stepping up. If it works it will achieve what you want, it's not just about money, if not well another hard season awaits.
That said I totally disagree about breaking the bank, when has that ever worked for us? You surprise me there.
The 2024 season will be the one to go for as the ground will be sorted and we could actually capitalise on our investment.
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| I know we expanded the squad now perhaps we should reduce it and spend on better quality. A risk it is but the Academy is paying dividends now so it's time for a proper pathway from Academy to reserves to first team
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| Quote ="vastman"
The 2024 season will be the one to go for as the ground will be sorted and we could actually capitalise on our investment.'"
2024 would be too late ,if we cut back and get relegated before the development is complete.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"2024 would be too late ,if we cut back and get relegated before the development is complete.'"
No I think you misunderstand.
Clearly we will have to invest and go to our absolute max to at least make a fist of next year. However for me the break the bank bit needs to wait a year as i just don't see the return.
For example, if we did attract a lot of new fans next year where would you put them?
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"2024 would be too late ,if we cut back and get relegated before the development is complete.'"
2024 could be irrelevant anyway if the powers that be are going to do whats been suggested...
SL1 & SL2 of 10 teams each.
Can't see us being in SL1 even with our flashy new stand unfortunately.
Unless we finish high up next season and that determines what league you're in.........
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| We cannot go on another season like the last three because it will clearly be too late if we wait for the income from the redeveloped ground. We have allowed the squad to be weakened with the possibility of it being further impacted by the loss of several further first team players.
I cannot remember the exact phrase used by the club but it was along the lines of “we want your unquestioning support”. This is all well and good but in return they cannot expect this blind loyalty to cover another season of performances like the last three. I have said before the supporters or what is left have done their bit now it is the club’s turn to provide a squad worthy of this loyalty. It appears that every other team have been able to do this but not us we just continue to play the “we do not have the funds and need to trim costs further” a common phrase drilled into all finance directors and accountants.
The club need to consider at this time of a cost of living crisis that they are in the entertainment business (you will need to use your imagination a bit here) and people will need a good reason to spend any excess funds they have to attend. I am sorry but the only selling point we have is what we produce on the field not in the accounts. The club can continue with their money is tight but it is their job to generate the income now or they face a club stagnating, crowds decreasing, reduced merchandise sales and ultimate relegation. We had until the first of May for example to try to retain the likes of Batchelor but it would appear we decided not to bother based on our we have not asked strategy.
If we dodge relegation this season it gives the club what I believe to be one last chance to correct the on field problems with the squad if they fail to do so despite the obvious then they will have failed the supporters who have put their faith in them and our great club.
I would add that the club will need to do something to protect the patrons in the temporary south stand seating or season ticket sales could be affected considering the season will probably start in February.
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| Rumour! miller getting 20k more at cas said he would stay if we matched it, mr carter said if you want to play at wakey you'l play for what im paying.Then mr minards and some board members said we'd like to keep him he's the club captain we will cover the 20k.mr carter he says no thank.so lets see which rumour is true.
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| Quote ="TALLYWACKER62"Rumour! miller getting 20k more at cas said he would stay if we matched it, mr carter said if you want to play at wakey you'l play for what im paying.Then mr minards and some board members said we'd like to keep him he's the club captain we will cover the 20k.mr carter he says no thank.so lets see which rumour is true.'" Could this be the reason why we are seeing a more consistent Miller ?
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| Quote ="TALLYWACKER62"Rumour! miller getting 20k more at cas said he would stay if we matched it, mr carter said if you want to play at wakey you'l play for what im paying.Then mr minards and some board members said we'd like to keep him he's the club captain we will cover the 20k.mr carter he says no thank.so lets see which rumour is true.'"
thats also the facts I have heard. Miller did not hang around and signed a 3 year deal at Cas.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We cannot go on another season like the last three because it will clearly be too late if we wait for the income from the redeveloped ground. We have allowed the squad to be weakened with the possibility of it being further impacted by the loss of several further first team players.
I cannot remember the exact phrase used by the club but it was along the lines of “we want your unquestioning support”. This is all well and good but in return they cannot expect this blind loyalty to cover another season of performances like the last three. I have said before the supporters or what is left have done their bit now it is the club’s turn to provide a squad worthy of this loyalty. It appears that every other team have been able to do this but not us we just continue to play the “we do not have the funds and need to trim costs further” a common phrase drilled into all finance directors and accountants.
The club need to consider at this time of a cost of living crisis that they are in the entertainment business (you will need to use your imagination a bit here) and people will need a good reason to spend any excess funds they have to attend. I am sorry but the only selling point we have is what we produce on the field not in the accounts. The club can continue with their money is tight but it is their job to generate the income now or they face a club stagnating, crowds decreasing, reduced merchandise sales and ultimate relegation. We had until the first of May for example to try to retain the likes of Batchelor but it would appear we decided not to bother based on our we have not asked strategy.
If we dodge relegation this season it gives the club what I believe to be one last chance to correct the on field problems with the squad if they fail to do so despite the obvious then they will have failed the supporters who have put their faith in them and our great club.
I would add that the club will need to do something to protect the patrons in the temporary south stand seating or season ticket sales could be affected considering the season will probably start in February.'"
I agree with everything you say. What was the announced gate yesterday, 3800 I believe. Seems about top side as crowd looked sp. Thats not facilities holding support back, its the reasons you have outlined in the main.
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| Quote ="TALLYWACKER62"Rumour! miller getting 20k more at cas said he would stay if we matched it, mr carter said if you want to play at wakey you'l play for what im paying.Then mr minards and some board members said we'd like to keep him he's the club captain we will cover the 20k.mr carter he says no thank.so lets see which rumour is true.'"
I heard the same apart from the last bit. Can't imagine he'd just say a flat no, or that the others would just blindly follow.
More to building a team than that.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"thats also the facts I have heard. Miller did not hang around and signed a 3 year deal at Cas.'"
Facts?
Please, do go on!
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| Quote ="TALLYWACKER62"Rumour! miller getting 20k more at cas said he would stay if we matched it, mr carter said if you want to play at wakey you'l play for what im paying.Then mr minards and some board members said we'd like to keep him he's the club captain we will cover the 20k.mr carter he says no thank.so lets see which rumour is true.'"
I've heard the exact same rumour!!!
On here, just now!
It may be true, it may not - but until someone who actually knows spills the beans, that's all it is, a rumour with no credibility.
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| Miller has overall struggled with consistency but always has a handful of very good performances in him.
He was on field like a rash all game yesterday and imo was the main reason that Field was snuffed out of the game. Yesterday was an excellent Miller performance.
Despite his faults he has always given no less than 150% on the pitch for us and if he goes will go with the majority of fans thanking him for his efforts in the RWB.
People get frustrated sometimes because they know what he is capable of and I’m his day he can be one of the best HB in the league. It’s just the consistency part but that could be partly due to other reasons.
I’m positive he will want to finish on a high this season no matter where he is next season.
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| IF IT'S TRUE that Jacob Miller was offered ÂŁ20k a year more for three years by Cas then I don't blame him for signing, which of us wouldn't do the same in our respective employment?. He's thirty years old next Monday and this will probably be his last 'big' contract before a possible move back home to Oz.
He's been a good servant to Wakefield Trinity, and whilst not a Toppo, or a Wally Lewis has to my mind earned his money over the years.
The challenge now is to replace him with same or better with whatever budget we have available.
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| Quote ="dboy"I've heard the exact same rumour!!!
On here, just now!
It may be true, it may not - but until someone who actually knows spills the beans, that's all it is, a rumour with no credibility.'"
Come back when it is finally announced.
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| So, people are having a go for not paying more for a player who is slagged off more than he is praised? If all key players wanted an extra 20K, that would be one less key player we could afford to buy.
As for finances dictating squads thus dictating crowds, that is always a tricky one. Do we go into debt to get a squad that might attract crowds? And if the equation doesn't work out? Only a rich backer allows for that gamble.
Equally, we are in the entertainment business and we shouldn't rely on blind loyalty. People can find other ways to spend the money. I don't know what the answer is. It's great to know the club is financially stable after so many years of the opposite. At the same, it's wearing to watch relentless defeats.
To be fair to Willie, he's got them playing right at the right end of the season.
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| Do you know ,i am not too concerned about Miller going and neither am I concerned we didnt match what Cas did. I dont know what he is on but , it will be a good amount and a fair amount for his ability and stage in his career. The one that concerns me more is batch leaving.
I would imagine there will be plenty of young millers ,just outside first team recognition in Oz wanting a crack at SL. Thats all Millers was in all fairness. Batch is another matter, wakey lad through and through and I believe there is far more to come.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Come back when it is finally announced.'"
I have no problem with that at all.
Will they also announce how much we offered, Cas offered and how Carter refused an offer of extra money to keep him?
No, they won't.
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| Quote ="dboy"I have no problem with that at all.
Will they also announce how much we offered, Cas offered and how Carter refused an offer of extra money to keep him?
No, they won't.'"
Why would they? It's none of our business.
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| The thing I can’t get my head roundis where are cas getting the money - there front row for next year vete mc Shane watts - all big earners , sutcliffe Edwards Westerman
Half backs sound like widdop Richardson miller with mamo evalds Faraimo Fonua
Are they spending to try and get in division 1 of the new sl
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| Quote ="PopTart"Why would they? It's none of our business.'"
Exactly.
They won't because it most likely did not happen - it's just someone's silly rumours.
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonlyisback"The thing I can’t get my head roundis where are cas getting the money - there front row for next year vete mc Shane watts - all big earners , sutcliffe Edwards Westerman
Half backs sound like widdop Richardson miller with mamo evalds Faraimo Fonua
Are they spending to try and get in division 1 of the new sl'"
They may be speculating to give them the best chance to get into the top ten because they realise anything else would be a disaster financially. They have also had longer to plan for next season, not a situation available to us.
I look forward to the quality of our signings for next season because it would appear we will be clearing plenty from our cap.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"They may be speculating to give them the best chance to get into the top ten because they realise anything else would be a disaster financially. They have also had longer to plan for next season, not a situation available to us.
I look forward to the quality of our signings for next season because it would appear we will be clearing plenty from our cap.'"
Stop ing crying!
When there's something to tell us, they'll tell us.
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