Sorry but he had halftime to work out a way to cover Fifita absence plus we were rested. I would guess based on the try’s they scored we were not prepared.

Shocking ill disciplined poor defensive display with a team that folded like a pack of cards…unnecessary back to back sin bins with some very strange team selections and inflexible probable pre arranged interchanges (instead of play what you see keeping Hood and Whitbread in the game when down to 12) led to a likely victory turning into an embarrassing capitulation and defeat.

Batchelor should have been at centre, Crowther at 13 and Bowes interchange hooker. Butler doesn’t look fit enough for Super League and should be in the reserves until he loses some timber and can keep up with the pace of the game.

I think a short term advisory role from someone like John Kear is needed otherwise it’s certain relegation.

Couldn't agree more to be honest.

If Poching went, we'd only go down the cheap route or to the next yes man.

Are we any better off than we were in 2013?

Personally, I'm not convinced

https://t.co/n4DAPyoAlp Post game interview, starts around 28.30 minutes, sounds out of hi depth to me.

https://t.co/n4DAPyoAlp Post game interview, starts around 28.30 minutes, sounds out of hi depth to me.

Sorry Mopsey but your adding weight to Vastmans argument.

We won Hull and Wire. Batch was instrumental in both at right centre. Poching rung the changes in a back to back winning team by moving Batch to the middle and the players replacing him went on to leak try’s for fun and right edge defence fell to bits. That was Poching choice to tinker with a winning team and he fluffed it up.

Same with Crowther. He admitted himself last year he isn’t a 9. It appears in Pochings grand plan to start Batch at 13 Crowther is being made into our interchange 9. A role that he struggled with and is struggling with again. Crowther was playing well at 13.

Why Poching is making decisions like this just confuses the heck out of me.

I said it when he got the job and I stick by it: never appoint the assistant who got the benefit of a post-sacking bounce. We did it in 2005 with Tony Smith and he almost took us down the year after. We did it with Webster, who had a post-sacking bounce. I cannot think of a single Super League example of a former assistant who stepped in after the previous head-coach was sacked and who went on to do well. It's because you have the same-old same-old. I just hoped I was wrong. Some people are meant to be assistants. Willie is one, as he always has been.

I don't think he's helped by his squad, who are too old and jaded, probably as sick of it all as we are, but I think that is partly to do with the increased success of the NRL. All the best English players head there and now no decent Aussies come over, so the top clubs get the best of the rest and we get glorified Championship players. There are players at some of the top clubs who would never have got in them fifteen years ago, and maybe would have ended up with us.

But the promoted assistant was a disaster waiting to happen, and now the disaster is happening. We are one Toulouse win away from relegation.

no I'm not adding weight but one win and peoples opinions change and suddenly become the best thing since sliced bread. The fans have accepted mediocrity for years and will carry on doing so, nothing will change, nothing ever does

I get what you’re saying but there was only a few secs on the clock when Fifita did what he did ! not even 10 secs I believe . We were on the back foot from the kick off 2nd half ! Butlers was reckless and as stupid but it happens … Fifitas was the most stupid/dumb play …. . Once the gap was there our already weak side .. Croft /Evans we’re grasping at fresh air . We had it won … just criminal … couldn’t wait to get out of the ground and come home . !

Also to say Arona is retiring we are a much weaker team in defence and attack when he’s not on the park ! We are in a lot of trouble and I honestly can’t see us escaping with the current set up ! We are just not good enough …

Well some on here blamed our demise on Chester and now it's Poching who can't coach what a sorry state we are in.Fifita getting stick for getting binned which was a silly rush of blood to the head. But imo Fifita was playing Toulouse on his own when he got back on. His effort and work rate was relentless. We have to realise the buck stops with the man at the top and he has to sort out the problem on the pitch or else we will have a new refurbished stadium with nobody in it.

Yeah, but the damage had been done by then, he had already shot us in the foot and we never recovered...it gave Toulouse the sniff of blood that they needed and the rest is history. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Dave (hence my avatar), but we were in total control of that game right up to that point and then Dave popped our balloon

Dave wasnt the lad giving away sets of 6 and missing tackles in that time or they didnt do the damage with overlaps 1 man doesnt make that much of a difference look at barrow and halifax the other week when fax won playing 11 v 13

I may be incorrect but did WP not state prior to today’s game that the performance is far more important than the result. I am not a coach but no it is not because one will usually result in the other.

For me, the demise is not on Poching, or Chester,but Carter.

Yes, the blame will surely lay at Poching, but most of these are Chesters players, but Chester should have gone a long time before he did.

I said at the time it would take time for Poching to turn things around.

It's cultures that need to change from the top, down

I honestly think that Poaching fitted in to the club slot.
He like Chester will not cause a fuss and that's exactly what MC needed.
Anyway who cares the club will never achieve anything under the present regime. Stuff it.

We should table a motion of no confidence in the current board. We’re getting one new stand at the risk of relegation.

Well it did today squire, And if Dave had been on the field then the players having to take up the slack with Dave been missing in action then the lads having to do the extra tackling for Dave in that heat might not have been under as much pressure missing tackles they might not have had to make for Dave or that other duckegg had they been on the field, I could be wrong of course and you spot on, but for me credit where credits due full marks to Fifita and Butler.

So was it dave fault jordan did a shocking pass from acting half to lose possession or corey knocked on when still at 20 4 .think at times people just look for a scapegoat or look at what they think is the obvious.teams go men down all the time but dont capatulate like that.it wasnt tierdness either it was poor attitude and no desire like i said look at halifax v barrow

Let’s be honest playing a half for 20 mins with 12 men is hardly ideal , just ask Wigan today what losing a man does when your in full control, it doesn’t matter in the big scheme of things if you lose by 2 or 22 is still a big fat nil against you . Toulouse we’re gifted a lifeline in that second period and took it gratefully with both hands ,we then decided to turn into headless chickens and capitulated spectacularly . We looked like we didn’t have the fight nor the attitude to dig in and put up a fight . There are players that are giving their all ,but equally players that obviously don’t give a dam about the club or the fans ,and take a wage for the minimum of effort. We all know who they are without the need for name calling , and I’m positive the staff at Trinity know ,as it certainly doesn’t take a genius to pick them out . We’ve started the rebuild , hopefully it will continue at pace ,as time is running out for us .But it’s not over till the fat lady sings ,and we must fight all the way until it’s mathematically impossible,just need to get the players into that mindset, and jobs a good un as they say .

I really hope he didn't, because this was the one game where the result was more important. If we'd won today, I think we'd be safe, as Toulouse would have had the job of winning three more games than us in a very limited time. On the flipside, they are one win from safety, and now full of confidence.

If that is true, it is an utterly brainless thing to say. Today was only about the result.

It's okay hearing your boss say it when you're at teams like Leeds and Warrington, where you're trying to instil some self-belief for a last push for Old Trafford. When you say it yourself for a game where only the result mattered, you have to wonder what on earth is going on.

It’s Chester’s team/squad bar Corey Hall and a couple of recently signed front rowers!

Willie has deserved a shot at the big chair but he’s been handed a poisoned chalice. Chester did the recruitment and signed some poor and past it players who’s injury records should have been warning enough to stay away. Corey Hall is the shining light in the team and Willie has also managed Lewis Murphy’s transition to 1st team pretty well.

The BoD aren’t faultless in this either, Carter was too close to Chester and it tainted his decision making, allowing him to stay too long and blow the recruitment budget before sacking him. We’ve made little to no investment in the training facilities throughout the whole tenure of Mike Carter.

Willie isn’t blameless, he’s too affable and maybe isn’t the correct man for the job but he really deserved a better chance to succeed than he’s been given.

Sorry but you’re wrong
On a wide open field, with a pitch side temperature of 30+ and facing a team who are also scrapping for their livelihoods, losing a man is a big deal!

Have you ever played competitive rugby league? Trust me, it’s not all about the players.

Today should have been about the result and the result only. A chance to go six points clear and instead we're now only two points clear. I'd have been happy for us to have played like a drunk pub team and won 8-4 rather than get to 20-4 up and piddled the game away like we did.

In past seasons I've always seen a way out of our predicament and a way to stay up. That's now gone. I'm resigned to finishing in the bottom spot.

Some years ago, it was similar but not as bad. MC asked anyone who wanted out to knock on his door. Do it again.