Tired undercooked and ill prepared, interesting view. Some may say that's the position at the moment.

Or some may just say we were beaten by a far better team on the day but now they're over it and looking forward to see if we can bounce back like we already have done this season.....

All the negative threads on this board make me question what people expect from us considering where we was 8-9 months ago?

Everyone at the club is trying as hard as possible....that includes the players, as wins at Hull & Widnes will show.....we never turned up against Cas and got our bottoms smacked....that's not undone the excellent work of the previous two superb victories though.....and we are still well on course to achieving our seasons goal of avoiding relelgation....which seemed very, very unlikely before a ball was kicked....

A look at the points conceded column in the league table should give a clear indication that we're not under achieving quite to the extent some believe we are defensively.....there's the 2 clear worse teams than us at present (London & Bradford) conceding plenty more.....and then other teams who are having similar inconsistent results like ourselves....Catalans, Salford, Hull KR....all not a million miles away in points conceded.....We have got genuine excuses and reasons why we should be a little behind all those....and no it's nothing to do with the coach, it's the amount of new players we have had to sign this year thanks to the financial mess we were in....

Why people think we should be conceding much, much smaller scores when you look at the modern game, and that we are without question a bottom 6 side in every way, shape and form is beyond me? Maybe if we had the resources/squad of a Wigan/Leeds/St.Helens and the scores/performances were the same then maybe I would be calling for the coaches head and demanding why there has been no public apology in the press when we've taken the odd hiding here and there.....WE ARE NOT THOUGH! Enjoy th wins when they come....the Hull...Widnes wins....delight in them and have a great week after......there will be more.....there will be more hammerings though without question....be disappointed, be upset for a while, but don't let it get you down too much....look at where we are as a club and have a look at other bottom 6 sides, they're all on a similar rocky ride....

I know personally what id do with sports science but then again id be accused of being a dinasour stuck in a time warp give me strength

Yeah, the world is flat, witches float, a woman's place is in the kitchen, cheeky kids deserve a good beating and the moons made of cheese!

Well, if the cap fits.

It'd have to be a be a Huge cap to fit that head

Lets stick to debating and leave the personal stuff out please.

I kind of was debating; the implication was that sports science should be ignored in favour of good old fashioned beastings - I disagree - a team trained in the 1970's style would be in physical danger going up against the Wigans and Leeds of this modern world.

Attitude, understanding and willingness to dig deep when times get tough is a different matter of course, and there's no science in that - but one without the other is pointless.

A bit ago I watched the video of the 82' Invincibles and some of the stuff they played would give bottom half SL teams a run for their money.