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| Quote ="PopTart"I'd go with same players but I'd have Tanginoa off the bench and Arona at prop.[/qu
Why play Arona at prop when you have an out and out prop in Butler in the squad, what's he done wrong to be omitted?
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| I’d go with…..
Jowitt
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| Quote ="1315trinity"
Butler has proved he’s not what we need for a relegation dog fight.
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| For me
Jowitt
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Hall
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Bowes
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| Quote ="PopTart"For me
Jowitt
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Batch
Hall
Murphy
Miller
Lino
Fifita
Hood
Arona
Ashurst
Pitts
Crowther
Bowes
Bowden
Whitbread
Tanginoa'" spot on for me !
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| Here’s my line up. Can’t see it being much different. Crowther should start at 13 as he is a very strong defender and Pitts should move there after 25 minutes to allow Tanginoa to attack the right channels in second quarter after some fatigue has set in. Crowther can come back on for Pitts in the second half then.
I feel we would benefit from Bowes playing Saturday. On a fast pitch it would be more beneficial having a nippy 9 than Crowther filling in again. Batch has to play at centre.
Jowitt
Evans
Batchelor
Hall
Murphy
Miller
Lino
Fifita
Hood
Whitbread
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Pitts
Crowther
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Got to agree. Since Lyne has been out the only player to play well at right centre is Batch.
Team pretty much picks itself but on a hard pitch in sunny weather I hope we give a nippy 9 like Bowes a shot from the bench.'"
Young bowes had a stormer against saints earlier in the season , even caught out the best in the business and gave Roby the runaround. Very nippy at the play the ball and tackles above his weight .
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| Quote ="1315trinity"
Completely agree - and Butler was solid against Wigan.
The thing with Butler is that he isn’t flashy. He doesn’t do anything special but he is reliable. Don’t quote me on this, but I don’t think he’s missed a single tackle in all the games he’s played for Wakefield. He’s a solid defender and although he doesn’t make meters like Fifita when carrying, his yardage isn’t bad.
I’ve come to the conclusion that the people slating Butler and don’t believe he should be in the squad or isn’t SL standard don’t understand RL as well as they think they do.
I like the lad and think with more game time will develop into an even better player for us. I think the competition for game time with the addition of Bowden will help with his development and drive too.
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Young bowes had a stormer against saints earlier in the season , even caught out the best in the business and gave Roby the runaround. Very nippy at the play the ball and tackles above his weight .'"
Yes I remember him having 2/3 hood games then strangely getting dropped. He then had a stormer in reserves. Hope he gets a shot.
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| Quote ="SMB93"
Agree.
There was absolutely no point in signing Butler if we aren't going to play him.
He played well against Wigan running in hard and tackling well. He's exactly what we need in a relegation fight.
Willie will decide of course, but my props would be Fifita, Bowden, Butler and Whitbread (and let's get him signed up for longer)
I agree with others Bowes needs to play. He and Crowther for hooker and Hood to miss out for me.
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| Quote ="Willzay"
Had a good game against wigan, you need to start to give players a chance.
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| Quote ="SMB93"The thing with Butler is that he isn’t flashy. He doesn’t do anything special but he is reliable. Don’t quote me on this, but I don’t think he’s missed a single tackle in all the games he’s played for Wakefield. He’s a solid defender and although he doesn’t make meters like Fifita when carrying, his yardage isn’t bad.
I’ve come to the conclusion that the people slating Butler and don’t believe he should be in the squad or isn’t SL standard don’t understand RL as well as they think they do.
I like the lad and think with more game time will develop into an even better player for us. I think the competition for game time with the addition of Bowden will help with his development and drive too.
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Sorry, I know you said don't quote me but I thought I'd look and see if you were right.
As far as I can tell from Superleague website he has played 3 games for us.
Hull - 14 tackles made, 1 Missed
Salford - 10 tackles made, 2 Missed
Wigan - 11 tackles made, 0 Missed
So he has missed a few but not many, and given that he's not played many minutes in those games then I don't think those stats are bad tbh
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| Quote ="Fordy"Sorry, I know you said don't quote me but I thought I'd look and see if you were right.
As far as I can tell from Superleague website he has played 3 games for us.
Hull - 14 tackles made, 1 Missed
Salford - 10 tackles made, 2 Missed
Wigan - 11 tackles made, 0 Missed
So he has missed a few but not many, and given that he's not played many minutes in those games then I don't think those stats are bad tbh'"
Also stats don't always give the full story.
Of those 3 tackles did any lead to a try?
Likewise did any of the completed tackles stop a try, and so on.
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| Quote ="vastman"Also stats don't always give the full story.
Of those 3 tackles did any lead to a try?
Likewise did any of the completed tackles stop a try, and so on.'"
The only issue I see with Butler is match fitness. If he works on this on and off the field there’s definitely some player in there. He’s had a solid start. I feel a few more matches good pre season will dim the world of good and we could see Butler at his best.
I’m not understanding where this animosity against Hood is coming from though. He’s been perfectly fine imo. He’s also a very strong defender which is useful in early exchanges. Suggesting Crowther at 9 instead of Hood seems absolutely diabolical imho. Crowther is a good 13, play him there.
Hood and Bowes should interchange at 9.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"The only issue I see with Butler is match fitness. If he works on this on and off the field there’s definitely some player in there. He’s had a solid start. I feel a few more matches good pre season will dim the world of good and we could see Butler at his best.
I’m not understanding where this animosity against Hood is coming from though. He’s been perfectly fine imo. He’s also a very strong defender which is useful in early exchanges. Suggesting Crowther at 9 instead of Hood seems absolutely diabolical imho. Crowther is a good 13, play him there.
Hood and Bowes should interchange at 9.'"
I agree. I'm happy with Hood.
But "dim the world of good"? Are you Voldemort?
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| Quote ="PopTart"I agree. I'm happy with Hood.
But "dim the world of good"? Are you Voldemort?'"
Oh Hufflepuff .
Don’t you just love predictive text. It’s just laziness that I don’t spell check on here haha.
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| arguably this is one of the games of the weekend for the neutral along with wigan saints - hopefully it will encourage a few along to the stadium early. Im expecting Saturday to have a higher attendance than Sunday, although wigan and saints fans have a nasty habit of only coming and staying for their own games.
Should be a cracker - think nerves will play a big part for both sides though.
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| Of all Chesters star signings, Hood has turned out the best . However if you look at every SL hooker to me he ranks the lowest. He is solid defensively in the middle and tough but he lacks that zip,guile and skill of the modern day hooker. I think we lost some of that with Woody. He needs complimenting with someone sharper comming on later in the game and to me Crowther is not suited for that role.
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| Arrived in Newcastle. Sun is shining. Hoping for a win tomorrow.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"Arrived in Newcastle. Sun is shining. Hoping for a win tomorrow.'"
Let’s hope so. This needs a thoroughly professional performance from the players. They need to go out there and be ready to rip Toulouse and their opposite number to pieces. There will be no excuse for lapses in effort tomorrow.
I do hope that we have considered Toulouse will attempt to spread the ball across the line and put some defensive structures in place to combat that.
Also from memory Bott is a danger close to the line with his change of direction so I hope we close him down well.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"Arrived in Newcastle. Sun is shining. Hoping for a win tomorrow.'"
3 of us going, the last magic i could get to was Anfield, so looking forward to experiencing another iconic football stadium. Like you, hopeful not expectant. I doubt Toulouse will be lacking in enthusiasm and desire, let's hope we are up for it.
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| I really don’t want to sound disrespectful but we need to go out tomorrow with the intention of blowing Toulouse to small pieces. Be aggressive in the right areas and clinical on the edges with good ball movement.
Like against Wigan. We started to look dangerous when we the ball went through a few pairs of hands.
What we need to do slightly better is have players like Tanginoa running hard lines out on the edges and getting some good early ball to them.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I really don’t want to sound disrespectful but we need to go out tomorrow with the intention of blowing Toulouse to small pieces. Be aggressive in the right areas and clinical on the edges with good ball movement.
Like against Wigan. We started to look dangerous when we the ball went through a few pairs of hands.
What we need to do slightly better is have players like Tanginoa running hard lines out on the edges and getting some good early ball to them.'"
Frankly I don't care so long as we win. I've totally written off this season and this team. It's not that we don't have enough good players, we do, it's just that you simply cannot rely on them to put in a performance.
I think one of the pundits on MOD summed it up when he said Man U had plenty of good players but that made no difference because they were simply a pee poor football team.
Thats us and it has been for the last three seasons. No shortage of huffing and puffing and plenty of individual bits of brilliance, but as a team they simply don't connect and that shows no sign of changing in the short term. We play like a select team who have never met before on occasions.
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