what a bottler has he lost yet

I bet this is the first time you have bothered to watch tennis this year, just so you could come online afterwards and accuse Murrary of being a bottler. He's got to the final and is up against a stronger opponent who is playing superb tennis.

You sir, are a loser.

Tennis is a very feminine sport. I can't understand why any man would want to watch or play the game.

So he has lost then

I find it amusing the number of times Huddersfield have choked in Challenge Cup Finals in recent years.

People who compare Murray to Henmam & that Canadian lad are just blindly ridiculous! The lad is still relatively young and has already reached 3 Grand Slam finals (more than others together) he has been in top 3-5 in the World for the past few years and nearly always reaches at least the 1/4 finals of any tournament. His time will come he's just playing in a great generation for tennis ATM, BUT he has beaten those around him plenty of times!

He reminds me of the England RL team...Theres always at least two of the opposition out there that will always be better.

Indeed, but there are about 500 competitors he is better than, unlike England RL, who have about 2 teams they are better than....

You remember 1999 then ?

Well done for spectacularly missing the point.

I didn't but you're the biggest WUM on here, i'm only doing what you would have done

You need to work out the difference between a windup and simply highlighting someones ignorance.

And you need to stop giving your interpretation to others posts.

I was laughing at Murray BECAUSE of the way he has ben held up by the British press as the next great white hope. 3 pages in the Guardian yesterday all over the news and radio , live on BBC1 ( a change in TV schedules because he had got to a final , did they cover any of the rest of the competition live).

It makes me laugh how the British press big up British sportsmen when they have won nothing.

"2010 England will win the WC" etc.

Until he wins something he will be just a Jock Tim Henman.

it is no different to those who said Gerry Cooney will be World Boxing Champion.

If he wins a Grand slam i will be pleased for him. Until then , " dont believe the HYPE".

What you mean 2006 when we were outclassed



and 2009 when all the decisions went against us.

Yes we do hype up our sports men and women but is it a bad thing to give the british public hope? Considering the rest of the world already puts us down when it comes to sporting events.

You really are pathetic, and must lead a very sad life.

No, by your definition, reaching a final and then losing is automatically a choke, and only people who win should be given any credit.

Huddersfield Giants = chokers, and therefore naturally an embarassment to Huddersfield residents. Was there any hype in your local paper when they got to the final?

You are obviously not very bright. Choking is when you get to thew big game and cannot reproduce anything near your usual form ( unless there is a good reason ie Injury it is usually caused by choking). Murray has never got anywhere near his pre final form in any of his tournaments. He was not OUTPLAYRD he just did not turn up.

Saints vs Giants in CC final we played as well as we had all season we were just beaten by the better team FACT.

Vs Warrington we played at about the level we had been at all season but just did not get the rub of the green. No choking just bad luck.

Ther eis a big difference between bigging up your local team and bigging someone up as a national hero. Although i suspect you live in London so feel that you are the epitome of Britain.

How you compare them is beyond me. You are either a bit thick, dont know the facts or are a closet Scotsman ( I wont call you a closet Tennis fan as i do not want to be too insulting).

You howver keep ignoring the arguements and carry on with the insults. I meanwhile will keep picking your dummy up and handing it back to you.

No further questions your honour.

I'm bemused by your assumption that Murray is a failure just because he has been unable to win a Grand Slam yet, in his short career.

To put a positive spin on it, Murray has, so far, acheived more in his career than any British player of the last 75 years.....Yes, maybe not a huge acheivement in itself, but something he can be proud of.

Also, take into account the fact that legends like Ivan Lendl and Andre Agassi took 4 or 5 final defeats, before eventually going onto claiming several Slams and you have some evidence that Murray, at least, deserves some backing and not derision from people who know nothing about the game.

As a slight aside, isn't it a little odd that we judge Murray on his failure to win a Grand Slam and yet the media all worship our golfing World number 1, Lee Westwood, who has a longer term record of bottling the big events?

yes,the british still seem to think they have a divine right to be the best,just cos' they invented whichever game - as we see this is not the case.However,to assume the rest of the world puts the british down simply isn't true - the french have the highest regard for most things british,especially the Premiership football,not to mention RU - peversley,they have the opposite opinion of themselves - they believe they are rubbish at everything so when any kind of sporting success comes along they are happy bunnies - you see,their expectations are lower to start with.

It totally amazes me how the british can put someone down as a failure for coming second !
If my son or daughter came second in one of the most prestigous tournaments in the world I would be the proudest parent around.Coming second isn't a disgrace,is it ?

I bet there are millions of professional sportsmen, women and teams that would love to be bottling chokers like Murray.

How do you know if you didn't watch it?