I would have said this should be a scratch game on the coupon with the away factor negating any wigan minus on the handicap. I think this could literally be a draw or 2 point game. Thoughts??

Jeez fella! I though this was a salary cap punishment when i read the title then! I almost dropped my Pie on toast!

From experience the bookies know a thing or 2'when it comes to handicaps. Anyway -4 is prob because the game is at a neutral venue. I think if stains where at home it would've been a 0 start. Right. Where's my pie rolled off too?

ha ha my apologies

I don't think we're in for a close one tonight - it's been a while since anyone won by a largeish scoreline in a derby.

That said, I still have no idea who I think will win.

I'd have expected us to have the start tonight or possibly be off scratch.

I don't think we've played well enough to warrant a -4 handicap. Hopefully the lads can find their best form tonight and make that look realistic.

If you were to listen to some on here, we have already found our best form this season!

We have found our best form this season. Just not for 80 minutes at a time...

I think it will be a 2 point game, either way. I can't call it. Pat Richards or Jamie Foster to win it.

from a betting point of view this is outstanding value, St Helens with a 4pt start at 10/11..

It would be a foolish Punter to not get on this!!!

Thats what i thought too.