I do think what I like. That's exactly the point. Some day you'll have enough brains to work out that you having an opinion about someone else having an opinion and complaining about them complaining is irony of the highest level. Listen mate, this is nothing to do with common sense (something you've demonstrated far better than I ever could that you have precious little of). This is all to do with standards in society. I seem to remember you being fed up about people over-reacting to crowd violence creeping into the game too. Says it all about your personal standards really doesn't it? Forgive me if I don't use your definition of what's acceptable as my guide. OK?

find it, no please do.
misquotetastic

On the thread after the game at your place regarding the 'Shirt burning attack' and the 'attack outside the pub'. CBA digging it out.

Ignoring the rest of the post though are we? Can'tthinkofadecentreplytastic. No surprises really. Next time I'll spell something wrong then you an pick up on that. Can't have you actually responding to the points made can we?

i deplore violence so i don't know where you got that from, i think you are mistaking me for someone else, i only retaliated to the 'all wire fans are scum'

Really? But aren't you the poster who just posted:



Maybe you need to "grow a set and use of bit of the completely misnamed 'common' sense"

Or do we have a serious case of double standards on our hands. I'll leave it to you to decide.

Common sense, rival speccy jokes about leg break (which i said was in bad taste btw) anyone with half a brain knows he isn't being serious
but

He's a rival speccy "how dare he joke" lets try to get him the sack. Pathetic !

and that's violent how ?

Ahh well he wasn't saying it as a rival speccy, he was saying it as a BBC journalist.

I can just imagine your complete complacency if Phil Clarke had said it when Lee Briers got injured.

Good God, surely you're not that slow, are you?! Do you really need it pointing out that you were 'offended' by the scum comments and felt an obligation to 'complain' (on this very board, no less!). Then you come on the very same board and post the 'need to grow a pair' post when someone else is offended by something and feel obliged to complain about it.

So to summarise. You're sick of people who get offended (unless it's you), think they shouldn't complain (unless it's you) and should let people say what they want (unless it's not you). Ok we get it. Now write a hundred times on the board:

"I will look up the definition of 'double standards' and read it until I understand the concept."

I think I'll leave this conversation there, if you don't mind. I have better things to do with my time. You're welcome to join another debate when you've digested your own stupidity on this thread and learned from it.

Really, a sweeping generalisation that is not intended to be a joke calling us all scum (a personal attack non the less) or a bad taste joke about an injured player.

Why be offended about a joke ? Especially one that was so glaringly obvious ?
I'm not saying lets have a blanket ban on people being offended but more "lets actually save it for when something is genuinely worthy of being offended"
An attack be it mental or physical is not even in the same league as a 'joke'.
How is that double standards ?

Plus i will air my complaint to the said offender not find out who his/her boss is in a completely petulant way and call for his/her resignation.

maybe the only person worthy of being offended is Amos himself but guess what, i'm sure he isn't.

Quote ="Phuzzy"On the thread after the game at your place regarding the 'Shirt burning attack' and the 'attack outside the pub'. CBA digging it out. Ignoring the rest of the post though are we? Can'tthinkofadecentreplytastic. No surprises really. Next time I'll spell something wrong then you an pick up on that. Can't have you actually responding to the points made can we?'" Quote ="Wire_Yed"just flicking through at night and i read this so seeing as you ask Duke i don't agree with him, violence at a rugby match should be frowned upon by everyone, i never said there wasn't violent people who support a team I'm not naive to think that, just not the millions wigan fans make out. Although violence [uon the pitch[/u is ok in moderation (it's a violently legal game Swearing not really, gestures from fans no issue with, players yes i have an issue with.'" or this thread, i appear several times viewtopic.php?f=28&t=445841&p=14944712#p14944712 try this even viewtopic.php?f=28&t=444811 i have 300 more pages to go through, would you like me to ? If i find one glorifying violence (unless it's legal ie boxing) i'll post it

Quote ="Phuzzy"On the thread after the game at your place regarding the 'Shirt burning attack' and the 'attack outside the pub'. CBA digging it out. Ignoring the rest of the post though are we? Can'tthinkofadecentreplytastic. No surprises really. Next time I'll spell something wrong then you an pick up on that. Can't have you actually responding to the points made can we?'" Quote ="Wire_Yed"just flicking through at night and i read this so seeing as you ask Duke i don't agree with him, violence at a rugby match should be frowned upon by everyone, i never said there wasn't violent people who support a team I'm not naive to think that, just not the millions wigan fans make out. Although violence [uon the pitch[/u is ok in moderation (it's a violently legal game Swearing not really, gestures from fans no issue with, players yes i have an issue with.'" or this thread, i appear several times viewtopic.php?f=28&t=445841&p=14944712#p14944712 try this even viewtopic.php?f=28&t=444811 i have 300 more pages to go through, would you like me to ? If i find one glorifying violence (unless it's legal ie boxing) i'll post it

I'd love nothing more than him to get the sack.

Oh wait, I'd love for you and the rest of the Wire fans to fook off here.

Was Alan Beswick saying this as a journalist?

Isn't he a presenter (one well known for having some controversial opinions)?

I don't listen to the bloke, generally he thinks he knows everything and likes to disagree with his callers no matter what, but that is not the same as if Phil Clarke said something.

This is my issue with this whole thing. Feel offended, it is nobody's place to have a say in this, indeed you don;t even have a say, it is either offensive to you or it isn't you can't choose to be offended. What people can choose then is to be unreasonable and make incorrect statements, which IMO weakens any argument.

Just a quick look at his Wiki page shows that he is an opinionated idiot, having previously been banned for being abusive to a caller (quite a lot of them IMHO), and also having to issue an apology after making a joke about the death of Alan Ball.

The fact is that plenty of things are broadcast the people find offensive, and an apology will not always be issued. If that was the case certain comedians would never see the light of day, and BBC would be full of family shows - although interestingly Frankie Boyle is in the firing line as we speak!

Last post on the subject as its getting boring now.

Basically your point above is "let's only get offended if I find it offensive. No-one else has the right to decide [ufor themselves[/u what is offensive." I'll take you back to my first post to you:




QED.

Well said Phuzzeh.

A few years ago on the Sunday after Shaun Edwards and Paul Johnson's brothers were killed in a car crash, I complained to the BBC regarding Jack Dearden's insensitivity throughout the programme - delighting in a Wigan loss and a Saints win. He kept saying "How good can this week get?" !!! (Tell that to those grieving families)

To his credit he did reply himself but tried to claim it was a previous weekend. However , complaining can make them re-think (though maybe not in Beswick's case because I think his arrogance gets in the way! ) .....and it makes you feel better!

I stopped listening to Beswick years ago. He is always swearing and thinks he is wittier than he is .....don't know what his listening figures are but I think Radio Manchester sees him as their very own shock jock! Ha!

Just spotted someone saying this topic should be wrapped before I posted.....anyway nothing like having the last word!

wow that will scare him to death. i can see a famous pies petition coming

Quote ="Wirefan"Sounds like we've imploded and potentially lost two important players.'" viewtopic.php?f=21&t=452639&start=180 Can you hear the smile in my voice? What's a few injuries if it helps Wigan win a cup?

Quote ="Wirefan"Sounds like we've imploded and potentially lost two important players.'" viewtopic.php?f=21&t=452639&start=180 Can you hear the smile in my voice? What's a few injuries if it helps Wigan win a cup?

What goes around comes around!

Very good.

It is thanks! Cracking weekend.

Enjoy it mate.

intended

Cheers. Still a long way to go yet and no doubt there will be some twists and turns yet but both clubs seem to be going in the right direction.

[size=50Whisper it quietly but finally looks like the top two stranglehold MAY about to be broken this year.[/size