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| Quote ="Akinwale Arobieke"You must be kidding. It's an ageing fan base. Most young un's sack it off when they're old enough to go somewhere else with their mates and I can't blame them. Mighty Max, a kiddy pom pom dance troupe on the pitch and getting told to sit down by old folk with tartan travel rugs on their knees. It's dying on its backside. There's almost a full generation missing on matchdays. The club finally set up a venue that might be appealing to that demographic and the Riversiders have reserved table signs up by week 3.'"
You just sound like the average Football supporter!
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"
The ideal is that you have it all ways but it’s difficult. I don’t think the answer is banning the Riversiders from the Fanzone because they’re not ‘cool’ enough.'"
Did anyone suggest "Banning them"?
The trouble i have with it is that it becomes an event/place that is sculpted in a particular way to suit one particular demographic and that in itself either lends itself to or against each individuals perception of what it should be.
I virtually never went into the south stand and any inclination I did have to make the fan zone my pre or post match location of choice has been eroded because I didn't like the feel of how the SS Bar pre and post match was run and feel too many similarities may exist.
I would rather it have organically grown and as others have said theres nothing stopping the Riversiders selling tickets or whatever (and I dont give a toss about reserved seats). But they have their events st their own riversiders meetings and I dont feel as though the fan zone becoming an extension of that organisation helps.
I'm 50/50 on the attracting new fans argument.
We have got an ageing demographic, but it's always been that way.
I dont want the "football, more edgy feel" and dont think its needed unless you want to go down a particular route (and most people know my feelings on that).
But as someone who is involved in 2 organisations that IMO are suffering because of an ageing demographic I can tell you that there is an element of people that want things run in the 2020's because that's how they did it the 1970s/80s/90s and im afraid those organisations will wither and die because the older element dont want to change. And as someone who sits mid way between both camps (but more towards the older age, I'm 4icon_cool.gif I've always thought that we have to constantly evolve.
Having a band pre match, yeah,
Different surroundings and money going to the club, yeah
Club shop etc, yeah
I wont say the words JTB and others have used but I agree and it just sounds a bit same.old same old.
I had a free pass Sunday post game, I didnt take much persuading to go into town rather than listen to the interviews being described on here.
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| You know what?
Scrap that, I'm blaming the Riversiders!
Typing my reply and I've gone straight through my stop and now half hour wait plus return trip to get back to where I should have been 10mins ago!!!!
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Did anyone suggest "Banning them"?
The trouble i have with it is that it becomes an event/place that is sculpted in a particular way to suit one particular demographic and that in itself either lends itself to or against each individuals perception of what it should be.
I virtually never went into the south stand and any inclination I did have to make the fan zone my pre or post match location of choice has been eroded because I didn't like the feel of how the SS Bar pre and post match was run and feel too many similarities may exist.
I would rather it have organically grown and as others have said theres nothing stopping the Riversiders selling tickets or whatever (and I dont give a toss about reserved seats). But they have their events st their own riversiders meetings and I dont feel as though the fan zone becoming an extension of that organisation helps.
I'm 50/50 on the attracting new fans argument.
We have got an ageing demographic, but it's always been that way.
I dont want the "football, more edgy feel" and dont think its needed unless you want to go down a particular route (and most people know my feelings on that).
But as someone who is involved in 2 organisations that IMO are suffering because of an ageing demographic I can tell you that there is an element of people that want things run in the 2020's because that's how they did it the 1970s/80s/90s and im afraid those organisations will wither and die because the older element dont want to change. And as someone who sits mid way between both camps (but more towards the older age, I'm 4icon_cool.gif I've always thought that we have to constantly evolve.
Having a band pre match, yeah,
Different surroundings and money going to the club, yeah
Club shop etc, yeah
I wont say the words JTB and others have used but I agree and it just sounds a bit same.old same old.
I had a free pass Sunday post game, I didnt take much persuading to go into town rather than listen to the interviews being described on here.'"
Banning them is obviously a strong term and nobody has suggested that but plenty have said they should be stopped from doing this, that and the other. Maybe they should be given less influence but it’ll make no difference to me either way. I’m not over thinking what the bar is meant to be in all honesty. I see it as a place to have a pint before the game with other fans and put money in the clubs pockets. I’ve not done that in the South Stand since probably 2007/2008 (at a guess) because the money didn’t go to the club. Maybe not having that 10+ years worth of going in the South Stand bar has meant I’ve not had the chance for them to get on my nerves.
We’ll see how the facility evolves but it’s been a positive start IMO.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"i'm 48'"
Pull the other one
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Nowt worse mate, well there is, I once fell asleep on the last train back to Wigan from Manchester and when I woke up I was in Blackburn. It took me a few minutes to work out that to be in Blackburn, I’d got the wrong train in the first place....and then fell asleep on it
I had the umpteen pints of Guinness to blame it on mind
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I've done that. Train split at Bolton and I was on wrong carriage
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Pull the other one'"
Look younger than you and I dont wear a Wigan Loyal 18 Woolly bobble hat!!!
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Look younger than you and I dont wear a Wigan Loyal 18 Woolly bobble hat!!!'"
I've had a hard life
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Nowt worse mate, well there is, I once fell asleep on the last train back to Wigan from Manchester and when I woke up I was in Blackburn. It took me a few minutes to work out that to be in Blackburn, I’d got the wrong train in the first place....and then fell asleep on it
I had the umpteen pints of Guinness to blame it on mind
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This happened to me once luckily I got off in Bolton, had to get a taxi to Wigan like. Pity cause that Blackburn train was rocking!
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| I still say Sundays are best for rugby league games, home and away. Once you’re in a routine more fans will come. I hate Friday games when they’re not on Sky, I don’t see the point in them. People used to say there was no atmosphere on Sunday games, there’s no atmosphere on Friday games any more so that argument is null and void.
With Sunday games we get to use Robin Park as a way of entertaining fans and generating more money for the club and you can’t do it to the same effect on a Friday, you don’t have the time. How many here used to like watching the academy games as curtain raisers in years gone by? We haven’t been able to do that since 1999, now we can, just next door to the DW.
Whilst there’s a reserves/19s game on, there’s a band playing inside in the bar, there’s a kids section with Mighty Max and players doing little coaching sessions etc
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| Quote ="post"I still say Sundays are best for rugby league games, home and away. Once you’re in a routine more fans will come. I hate Friday games when they’re not on Sky, I don’t see the point in them. People used to say there was no atmosphere on Sunday games, there’s no atmosphere on Friday games any more so that argument is null and void.
With Sunday games we get to use Robin Park as a way of entertaining fans and generating more money for the club and you can’t do it to the same effect on a Friday, you don’t have the time. How many here used to like watching the academy games as curtain raisers in years gone by? We haven’t been able to do that since 1999, now we can, just next door to the DW.
Whilst there’s a reserves/19s game on, there’s a band playing inside in the bar, there’s a kids section with Mighty Max and players doing little coaching sessions etc'"
What's that got to do with wrong trains? Get back on topic
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| Quote ="Grimmy"What's that got to do with wrong trains? Get back on topic
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If you miss your train on a sunday its easier to get another i think he means
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| Quote ="Jukesays"You know what?
Scrap that, I'm blaming the Riversiders!
Typing my reply and I've gone straight through my stop and now half hour wait plus return trip to get back to where I should have been 10mins ago!!!!
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Must be pressure at work causing that behaviour !
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| Quote ="rochdale warrior"Must be pressure at work causing that behaviour !'"
Dont you start!
Someone got to keep your pension afloat!
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| Sunday Afternoon was always the best day when we played at Central Park, which unlike around "Whelans Folly", there were plenty of pubs and clubs which helped to create a proper pre match and match atmosphere.
Sadly, those days are gone!
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| Quote ="21-12"You can argue the point all you like, I attend football as well as rugby, and can absoulutely assure you if we are talking 18-25 year old's, the amount of this age range at football compared to rugby is literally ten fold. Probably, as harsh as it sounds because its more "edgey" and cool to go to football than rugby these days.'"
never said it wasnt
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| Quote ="21-12"You can argue the point all you like, I attend football as well as rugby, and can absoulutely assure you if we are talking 18-25 year old's, the amount of this age range at football compared to rugby is literally ten fold. Probably, as harsh as it sounds because its more "edgey" and cool to go to football than rugby these days.'"
Correct, but how many of them are loyal and true supporters of a club and not just bandwagon jumpers when they get into a higher division and then disappear when relegated back into a lower division.
A example has been in our own town with the Latic's and more recently at Huddersfield and Hull.
And what about the many who after paying for a expensive ticket, leave in droves if their team is losing by more than one goal.
We may not have as many supporters in the 21-25 group, but what we do have is a more loyal and true support than in football.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"I've done that. Train split at Bolton and I was on wrong carriage'"
Did you get a split ticket ?
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| Quote ="rochdale warrior"Did you get a split ticket ?'"
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| What's getting a split ticket got to do with the topic?
It's getting a split head people need to worry about!
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| Why are the trains always late??
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| If we want to attract younger supporters a good place to start would be to stop playing that awful ‘Chelsea Dagger’ when we score.
Absolute cringe.
Time has moved on, it was awful at the time and still is.
Bring in Clint Boon to overall the music.
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| Quote ="JonnyBroad"Why are the trains always late??'"
If you mean around our part of the world, its because the local services have been run by Northern (Arriva) who from tomorrow will no longer have the franchise as it has been taken off them by the Rail Regulator for running trains late or not at all.
We live in hope that things will improve under the new operator.
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| Quote ="dany1979"If we want to attract younger supporters a good place to start would be to stop playing that awful ‘Chelsea Dagger’ when we score.
Absolute cringe.
Time has moved on, it was awful at the time and still is.
Bring in Clint Boon to overall the music.'"
Nah, have Gareth Brooks, miles better. Heard him a few times at City before European matches aswell as when he used to be on Xfm Manchester.
Also, they need a compare. City have Mike McClean who was on Nickelodeon back in the early 90s and he’s really funny.
Now some idiot will point out that ‘we are not football’ and ‘we don’t have city’s money’. All you need to do is find some local comedian who’s been around he block ideally a Wigan fan and get them to take the mic before games to keep people entertained with whatever’s competitions they want to do before a game and at half time.
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