Round 3 v Cas at home
Goulding Ainscough O'Carroll Hock J.Tomkins O'Loughlin McIlorum Hansen

Round 5 v Bradford at home
Ainscough S.Tomkins Hock J.Tomkins O'Loughlin McIlorum Hansen O'Carroll

There are probably others but I can't be @rsed checking.

You don't need to. The point's been proved and the argument won.

Jesus H Christ - Pryce and Flanagan??????????????

Whilst Stinky may not have been overly wise to have at a go at Wigan's Academy at the same time I think the original jibe at Warrington's academy is also mis-placed. There may have been a few lean years since the likes of Sculthorpe and Harris came through but recent times have seen the likes of Harrison, Riley and Cooper (and for a year Penny) become regular Super League players.

The current Warrington Academy contains some players that are as good as any I have seen at that level. The club is also being pro-active in its recruitment and going into Rugby Union heartlands to sign young prospects.

For example there was a recent England v Australia u18 rugby union international held in the north-west. Only two super league clubs had represensatives there looking for talent and talking to agents representing the players. Don't knock clubs who are doing everything they can to recruit the country's top talent, you'd be better off going back to the woah-is-me hand-wringing over the salary cap.

Grow up little boy. At least RG knows what he's on about in regards to Academy Rugby. Check back on his thoughts about the Warrington Academy after they beat Wigan at your place last year.

As for "argument won" you made a snide comment about Warrington having "considerably" less home-grown players in the team yet to date all we've had is RG illustrating the same number whilst some numpty is counting Flanaghan and Pryce as Wigan produced players.

If you've finally started producing some youth, then it's about time. You've a long, long way to go before you can match our record.

End of.

Exactly

To be honest I would be looking at the trophies that the Academy produced youngsters win for the club as a measure of success for a youth set-up. So to be fair I don't think in this respect Wigan have quite as good a record as you allude to.

Not quite an "End of" just like it wasn't quite "argument won" previously.

Willie Mason signs a 2 year contract with Melbourne - not that it was ever likely that he would end up with us anyway www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... -lit4.html

Willie Mason signs a 2 year contract with Melbourne - not that it was ever likely that he would end up with us anyway www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... -lit4.html

I see I caught two little fishes last night. Surprised it took so long!

Quote ="Stinky Turner"As for Warrington well the last super league game they played they had 8 players produced by their academy. When was the last time Wigan have that many Wigan Academy players in their team for a super league game?'" You mean this game? www.superleague.co.uk/report.php?id=3086455 Quote The Wolves went into the clash with no chance of reaching the play-offs after Catalans Dragons’ surprise win at St Helens on Friday. '" Yet none of them played in the Challenge Cup Final Quote Warrington were without five of their Carnegie Challenge Cup-winning side with Chris Hicks, Matt King, Paul Johnson and the Anderson brothers, Louis and Vinnie, missing out.'" So by fielding a weakened team on your last game of the season (in effect a dead rubber match), this is your argument against Wigan who regularly fielded 7 Homegrown players (excluding Pryce & Flanagan ) on regular occasions throughout 2009........TUT TUT!!!

Quote ="Stinky Turner"As for Warrington well the last super league game they played they had 8 players produced by their academy. When was the last time Wigan have that many Wigan Academy players in their team for a super league game?'" You mean this game? www.superleague.co.uk/report.php?id=3086455 Quote The Wolves went into the clash with no chance of reaching the play-offs after Catalans Dragons’ surprise win at St Helens on Friday. '" Yet none of them played in the Challenge Cup Final Quote Warrington were without five of their Carnegie Challenge Cup-winning side with Chris Hicks, Matt King, Paul Johnson and the Anderson brothers, Louis and Vinnie, missing out.'" So by fielding a weakened team on your last game of the season (in effect a dead rubber match), this is your argument against Wigan who regularly fielded 7 Homegrown players (excluding Pryce & Flanagan ) on regular occasions throughout 2009........TUT TUT!!!

Quote ="MattyB"You mean this game? www.superleague.co.uk/report.php?id=3086455 Yet none of them played in the Challenge Cup Final eusa_naughty.gif '" After your Pryce and Flanaghan as home-grow Wigan players I thought you'd have learnt to check facts. If you had I think you would have discovered that Riley, Harrison, Cooper and McCarthy are all products of Warrington's Academy who played both at Wembley and in the match you refer to. HTH

Quote ="MattyB"You mean this game? www.superleague.co.uk/report.php?id=3086455 Yet none of them played in the Challenge Cup Final eusa_naughty.gif '" After your Pryce and Flanaghan as home-grow Wigan players I thought you'd have learnt to check facts. If you had I think you would have discovered that Riley, Harrison, Cooper and McCarthy are all products of Warrington's Academy who played both at Wembley and in the match you refer to. HTH

Although I don't want to get involved in the petty argument, I find it somewhat ironic that you critisise Wigan for scouting youth from within rugby league to train up within their own academy/reserve structure, yet you laud Warrington for doing it from Rugby Union.

Lost me on that one I'm afraid. Where have I made this criticism?

Uh-oh Steinlager, it looks like it's to late you've already been drawn in.

There.

So you're telling me that only 4 out of the 17 participated at Wembley? Well done!! I was of course referring to the laughable comments from your mate regarding the fact you played 8 homegrown players in a meaningless match and came on here hoping to score brownie points!!
At the end of the day Wigan's youth policy is up there with the best in the game, this is starting to bear fruit (reserves wiping the floor against all opposition last season, the emeregence of top class young players into our first team, we have plenty to smile about!!

Paul, even for you that's a bit stupid.

Warrington have won two trophies at first team level in the last twenty years.
How many have they won at academy / reserve level in that time?

How many International players have they produced in that time that have come through their own youth system?

Do you think it gets anywhere near that of Wigan?

Wigan are NOT going to anyone else this season so get over it

Stop spoiling the fun!

Quote ="Tricky Dicky"So would you like any of these players off contract at the end of 2010: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... -lfov.html Props Ben Cross ••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Knights Josh Perry ••••••••••••••••••••• Sea Eagles Michael Weyman •••••••••••••••• Dragons Back-rowers Anthony Watmough ••••••• Sea Eagles Glenn Stewart ••••••••••••••• Sea Eagles Feleti Mateo ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Eels Luke O'Donnell ••••••••••••••••• Cowboys Ashley Harrison •••••••••••••••••••• Titans Mark Minichiello ••••••••••••••••••• Titans Alan Tongue •••••••••••••••••••••••• Raiders Backs Johnathan Thurston ••••••••• Cowboys Trent Barrett ••••••••••••••••••••••• Sharks Braith Anasta ••••••••••••••••••• Roosters Brett Kimmorley •••••••••••••••• Bulldogs Jamie Soward •••••••••••••••••••• Dragons Eric Grothe•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Eels Jamal Idris •••••••••••••••••••••••• Bulldogs Joel Monaghan ••••••••••••••••••• Raiders Ben Hornby ••••••••••••••••••••••• Dragons Krisnan Inu ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Eels'" Gasnier and Mateo in the backs, Luke Bailey in the forwards, Sl title won.

Quote ="Tricky Dicky"So would you like any of these players off contract at the end of 2010: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... -lfov.html Props Ben Cross ••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Knights Josh Perry ••••••••••••••••••••• Sea Eagles Michael Weyman •••••••••••••••• Dragons Back-rowers Anthony Watmough ••••••• Sea Eagles Glenn Stewart ••••••••••••••• Sea Eagles Feleti Mateo ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Eels Luke O'Donnell ••••••••••••••••• Cowboys Ashley Harrison •••••••••••••••••••• Titans Mark Minichiello ••••••••••••••••••• Titans Alan Tongue •••••••••••••••••••••••• Raiders Backs Johnathan Thurston ••••••••• Cowboys Trent Barrett ••••••••••••••••••••••• Sharks Braith Anasta ••••••••••••••••••• Roosters Brett Kimmorley •••••••••••••••• Bulldogs Jamie Soward •••••••••••••••••••• Dragons Eric Grothe•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Eels Jamal Idris •••••••••••••••••••••••• Bulldogs Joel Monaghan ••••••••••••••••••• Raiders Ben Hornby ••••••••••••••••••••••• Dragons Krisnan Inu ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Eels'" Gasnier and Mateo in the backs, Luke Bailey in the forwards, Sl title won.

If the above are your INS who would your OUTS be?

This could be a long list......

Where?

I still don't see where I'm criticising Wigan's recruitment policy as against defending Warrington's current attemnpts in that field.

No one cares, just go away and stop arguing.

Hence why I entered this debate suggesting that Stinky Turner may not have been wise having a go at Wigan's academy. But at the same time the current Warrington set up is a long way removed from what it has been for many years.

To be honest winning trophies at reserve and academy level is missing the whole point of the exercise if those players don't go on to win trophies for that club. The last Warrington Academy team to be successful (and I think they might have lost the final to Wigan's in a curtain raiser to the Premiership Final between the same clubs at Old Trafford, although as I type I think Warrington may have won the Academy game) contained Sculthorpe and Harris and whilst they may have kept the club financially alive all the medals they subsequently won meant nothing to Warrington.

Its all well and good going on about the failings of Warrington's academy over the last ten years but in harsh terms of major trophies at first team level Wigan's has been such as un-successful.

Either way I'm pretty sure that over the next ten years Warrington's academy will produce it share of full level internationals even if at least three of them will be for Wales.