Firstly, sorry for shouting.

I cannot believe the shambles that was the finale to our (admittedly dire) season. Actually, I guess it was entirely in keeping with the way this club has been run for many years but particularly, this year.

The silence from the Chairman or the CEO was deafening to say the least. Surely, one or both of them should have said a few words thanking the fans for sticking with the team through a difficult year and hoping to see them again the following year? It was appalling bad form for there to be nothing forthcoming from management....particularly as we still do not know where we will be playing next year.

The send off to our departing players was luke warm to say the least. Is it too much trouble for anyone to test out whether the PA system is working and they should have turned the damn music off whilst they were doing the award presentation...unbelieveable! Could barely hear a word that was said in our block. (How I miss Chris Warren). No words either from the coach and if Gower hadn't have won the award, he'd have been on his toes too.

As for all the stuff the club has failed to deliver to its ST holders.......no season launch, not one of the 3 fans forums, and no meet the players event either. Furthermore, anyone can drink in the West stand bar so hardly worth paying the extra £76 pound for a Super Bronco ST.

What heappened to the pre-season fixture against a Cumbrian team? That was meant to be part of the Purdo test, iirc. Instead, all we get is the meaningless fixture against Skolars and a trip to France for those that could afford it.

Re Sponsors, its a wonder we get any at all. They didn't get their presentation night last year (only some half-hearted afterthought) and this year, iirc, they were promised a discount off the price of the awards dinner IF there was one! Luckily for the club, they've got an excuse not to have an awards night due to the team not delivering.

All of the above would be fair enough if we were some back street boozer team but hey, in case the powers that be have forgotten, we are in the Elite RL competition and all this stuff is simply not good enough. It makes us look like some mickey mouse outfit that is not deserving of its status, fans or its players.

We do get some things right....the bands (for the most part) have been very good and I've enjoyed being back in the West Stand (although we shouldn't have away fans in there,as has been the case for many games this season).

Come on Club...get things sorted for next season. At the moment, the patience of even the most loyal Broncos fans is being tested.

Hard to argue with any of that.

It does sum up the clubs attitude to the fans, seems more like a private club where spectators are a nuisance! Shambles!

Good and justified rant DSWG

(What you like at buttering toast)

I wonder if the shambles will continue during the close season or will we have the usual sounds of silence?

Pretty much agree, DSWG. The end of the last game/season was dull and lackluster. I can't see the club making any big announcements until pre-season training starts in November. FB posts will probably continue to dribble through which will be the limit of any notification about the club.

Bring back Chris warren indeed. He would have organised this properly.

What happened at Cas, Widnes, HKR and Bradford on there final day that didn't happen at the Broncos. Or is this the usual "I want to own the club rubbish"!!

Nothing of the sort.

Most clubs have an awards evening for the usual "end of term" speeches.

You amaze me that you think that that last few moments of our season were satisfactory.

In my view, the club has not delivered what it promised (oh and chuck in the Hickey and Powell debacle too).

The Negativity on these boards is shocking



The failure of the Chairman or CEO to make any positive noises about 2013 or to thank the hard core support for remaining during the worst 2 consecutive years in the clubs SL history show a total and utter lack of any understanding of what they need to do to move the club forward.
Coupled with the many cock ups over the year and the almost insane move to Gillingham (I reckon it was very very close to happening), the two leaders of the club are becoming more comical, marginalised and now secretive........
IMHO, until both of them are replaced, the London SL club will make no real progress off the park.

I fail to see a single positive at the club since the end of the 2010 season.....less fans, no shirt sponsors, lack of communications, pointless rebrand......27 comp points from a possible 108.

BTW, I think you are being very unfair to most Amateur Pub Teams DSWG.

Hello Dan, I'd suggest that you might focus on being massively thrilled with the fantastic sequence of four wins from seven games at the end of the season, the hiring of Tony Rea on a long term contract, dodging bottom and removal of a lot of dead wood from the back office as the 'behind the scenes' stuff is a little amateur. But if you can't this is how you should approach Gus with your ideas www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr3mlbv1 ... detailpage Cheers Rammo

Hello Dan, I'd suggest that you might focus on being massively thrilled with the fantastic sequence of four wins from seven games at the end of the season, the hiring of Tony Rea on a long term contract, dodging bottom and removal of a lot of dead wood from the back office as the 'behind the scenes' stuff is a little amateur. But if you can't this is how you should approach Gus with your ideas www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr3mlbv1 ... detailpage Cheers Rammo

I couldnt comment on it being run like a Mickey Mouse club but until the last 7 games of the season I have left the ground at the final whistle feeling like I have been well and truly Donald Ducked..

Well put rant there DSWG, I agree with you that it's incredibly frustrating and makes you seriously consider whether you should be continuing to support.

It should be so easy these days to let us know about anything. Even if they can't say a definite confirmation of something, why not say that they're doing X (working out ST 2013 plan, finalising stadium, etc) and they can't confirm to us because of Y. At the very least we'd have a clue what's going on.

I've said elsewhere the lack of speech was shocking. Suddenly the presentations ended and we're supposed to just saunter off. TR would have been perfect to say something like he was glad so many people had stuck by the team during a difficult year, we help make the difference for the players and he hopes we'll be back next season. Whether it's true or not it at least it'll be positive for the crowd and re-invest everyone in supporting them.

To not say anything... very weak.

It's interesting that no one has answered the question "what happend at Cas, Bulls, Reds, even Wire at the end of the season?"

Were you hoping to get a hand shake from Hughsey and a see you next year. Is that what Lennegan did at the Pies?

Its been a shocking season let's move on. There was nothing to celebrate.

To many people want to be too close to the club. Get to the HJ, DW stadiums and see what you get. A pint in the corridor and when the final whistle goes marshalls telling you to leave the ground. Thats sport.

The other clubs you mention have awards nights where the formalities are dealt with there (like used to be the case here) and we used to have interviews in the bar after the last game.

You are being deliberately obtuse when you talk about hand-shakes and the like...no-ones expecting anything of the sort. Just a few words of closure on the season thanking supporters for their support in a difficult year and hoping to see them back next year, would have sufficed.

Even if you don't agree with the need for speeches from club's hierarchy, you surely agree that it isn't satisfactory for any business to non-deliver to their paying customers to the extent that this club has (again).

From a personal POV, I'm not bothered about the majority of things I was promised, but there are people that do and it simply isn't be-fitting of a professional business to not even come up with any reasons as to why things that were promised were not delivered.

I just really hope that this club makes a better fist of everything on and off the pitch next year.

When we first came to the Stoop back in 2006, if my memory serves me right, we had £299 season tickets. I think the other Stand was less expensive but not the dirt cheap £99 price.

I think anyone could go in any bar except the upstairs bars like the Captain's Club / Corporate Hospitality and there was a natural separation out of punters between the quiet carpeted bar and noisier King's Bar.

There were normally about 3 or 4 Fans Forums and the professional presenter Chris Warren was often on hand and when he was not there were also a supporting lot of high quality volunteers from within the support plus a few back office ladies who were genuinely helpful.

Where we are now is in an environment in which there is only a handful of staff, no professional presenter, almost no volunteers retained and a lot of complexity and barriers some of which cannot be enforced without a lot of resource.

I think the lack of revenue is the underlying issue with the other one being the divisive nature of the CEO who would prefer to keep the supporters behind partitions. That can't easily be fixed.

But the revenue angle would work much better to do a proper membership scheme.

As an example the club should charge £199 for the main stand and in return this should give supporters an allocated seat and a 'free hand' to go in any of the bars. Let people go to the fans forums for this price, bung them a car park pass etc. This could be policed via Gus's heavies checking a membership pin. And supporters turfing out squatters from their allocated seat!

Non-members would get nothing except an unallocated seat and King's Bar Access. I'd suggest a minimum price of £10 a game for adults. If they pay an upgrade fee, let's say £6 then they can upgrade match by match if they want to.

Otherwise it will continue to be amateur I feel. For want of resource.

Cheers
Mark

The players had a dinner on Sat evening-I'm sure presentations were made there.

I will ask the question again what happens at other clubs at the end of the season that doesn't occur in London? Thats not being deliberately obtuse just trying to benchmark the industry.

I've seen big name players leave Warrington without big presentations, more players carrying them of the field on the last day. I've never been present at an on the field fanfare like is being suggested here.

Season over, thanks, see you next year.

But there's no ticket details or confirmation of venue!

Do we need three threads on the management of the club, we have this thread, the `Ideas` thread and the `100% Negativity` thread.....they are all heading in the same direction so can we not merge them?

For what it is worth I do not give a toss about what they did to mark the end of the season and players leaving at other clubs, the management regarding OUR end of season `event`and communication as to future arrangements has been totally shambolic and the club management should be ashamed of themselves.

Anyone here remember the old Fulham CC Final night bashes at the Clarendon in Hammersmith (particularly the 1985 one when a lot of Aussies from the Northern clubs were there and Mal Meninga and Harold Henney had an ice cube fight along the bar - the staff took one look at the size of them and let them carry on!), plus the Christmas dinner at a London hotel, Supporters' Club meetings that club officials used to go to etc., etc? The club seems now to be totally disconnected from the supporters, the loss of a Supporters' Club possibly hasn't helped, although I appreciate the problems that led to its demise.

I think Gus set out to distance players from fans. Not presenting awards after the match etc

Maybe he is trying to distance the club from the fans ie you get a game of footie and go home, similar to the bigger northern clubs approach. If you want to meet players and drink wine you pay for it

Ps HKR haven't mentioned season tickets or whether they will be playing next year to there fans so we aren't alone

I have no problem with paying for anything.

Facts are those of us that bought the most expensive ST paid for 5 events that we didn't get (but did get stuff that we weren't meant to like away supporters in the "Members" bar and in the West stand!).

A quick reccie of some of the other clubs websites confirm that they do indeed have Awards nights...Wakey, Cas and Salford do anyway (thats all Ive checked).

As I said before, I'm not bothered per se about all these things, but it does throw doubts on the credibility of our club when they fail to deliver on so many fronts.

Of course, most of us realise that this club is skint and we haven't got the resources of other clubs. Well, that's fine just don't promise what we can't deliver!

The only thing I really wanted was a Season Launch do...not a grand one like the one at St Katherines Dock or even The Sports Cafe one... a cheapo one at The Stoop surely would have been within our means.

I must admit, I have long held the view that St David of Hughes should be beyond critiscism but I am beginning to wonder if he is part of the problem after all.

Certainly, I do think we would be a long way towards being a successful club (on and off the field)
if we still had the input and resources of Ian Lenegan.

Absolutely correct. A critical turning point in the history of our club when he turned to Wigan. If only Whelan hadnt sold out.

Clearly money is an issue; it's the first time I can remember when the leaving players haven't been given a departing gift. Granted he hasn't played much, if at all, this season but Karl T had been with the club since 2005 and not to recognise that in some way (or god forbid, ask him a question) just seems wrong.

Personally, I have never had any great desire to speak to players post match, but would agree with Dan that if something is included in a price of a season ticket then it should be provided and then it is my choice whether I want to take up what is offered.

Maybe Karl T and the others who are leaving were recognised at the clubs end of season awards dinner on Sat night.

We are making a huge assumption that the end of the game was the end of the season for the players. I struggle to believe that the leaving players didn't get there opportunity at the dinner to say goodbye and also receive a gift