With or without your blessing or permission they have !! In a democratic world where people have a choice - it would appear that a high percentage of those who regularly bothered to register their vote for a man of the match hold the opinion that despite his weak points (that you so eloquently point out) he has performed reasonably well, and consistently when compared with his team mates .

If the fact that I point this out in response to your request that I post on the topic is "not your concern" , then you should readily understand why I have no concern either that you believe your opinion undisputable. your insatiable desire to single out one player for criticism justifiable , and that a substantial number of keen regular failthful (and -in your opinion it seems- misguided) fans are only on here to read , learn and bow to your infinite wisdom.

can we all stay on topic and leave out the stuff criticising others opinions.

Comments were made about Robbos limited skills which i happen to agree with .

the fact that he has won MOM by the fans still does not alter that fact. His best game for us this season was probably Wakefield away where he rightly got MOM from everyone. As i remember that was mainly based on his second half performance where he ripped Wakey to shreds.

Most of that however was when he ran from dummy half playing in a hooker type role rather than as a SH.


There are actually very few GREAT halfbacks in SL and most teams have to play good players who have some deficiencies.

If you look at the GREAT half backs i would day people like Thurston and Lockyer fall into that category eg someone who has an all around game, kicking, tactics, running sedtting up plays and the X factor.

In Britain we have no one who comes close probably the best is long but i think he is on his way out. Brough may hav ethe ability but needs to be in a top teram or international to see it. Myler and tompkins may get there.

Players like Pryce and Mc Guire are good but neither are international or top drawer players. Outside oif their dominating clubs they are not that special.

Robbo is the same when we are playing well he can dominate a game and play really well. when we are up against a top quality defensive team where his space is cut down his limitations come out. That makes him no different though to many other players we have

British halves are generally not as canny as Aussie ones and much of that is down to how we train our kids up here. Aussies train their halves from an early age to pass both ways, hold the ball in two hands to keep their options open etc and they do it from ~4 years old.

We don't get them that early and we haven't trained them as well, up to this point at least. And this IMO goes a long way to explaining why we can't beat them on a regular basis.

This is a thread about Robbo on a RL forum. I am contributing to it. I do not think he is a top class SH.

That you do not appear to have the ability to dispute what I say does not make it undesputable. You prefer to regurgitate a list of scores or write about knives or waffle on about 'blessings / permission/ infinite wisdom' rather than make some actual rugby comments.

So rather than indulge yourself in infantile and irrelevant comments. Why not counter what I say. Explain why Robbo is a top flight SH. Why not counter my comments about his kicking game. If you think his left to right passing is a high quality why not tell us about it? If Robbo reads the game like a top SH provide some details. If I can't see it why not show me.

When Robbo plays well he resembles a hooker like Obst far more than a SH like Brough.

spot on fella.there is also an abundence of full backs and hookers over here who are superior to the british counterpart

the australians seem to train their play makers young

So how do you think he'll go at hooker for you next year?

Lunt, Drew/Robbo.

How does the 3-2-1 scoring system work exactly? It isn't inconceivable to me that it's a flawed system for assessing a player's performance.

All it is is a points system for what you feel were the best three performers in a particular match. 3 for the best, 2 for second best, 1 for third.

Robinson has been one of the best players this deason. he's very much a confidence player howeverand when he isn't confident then he plays badly (Wembley, last Saturday etc).

The Brown Robinson combination has been great for giants all season.

Yes he has some weakpoints but so do most players. He's not Peter Sterling but he's solid enough and Huddersfield's game is all about the team not Prima Donna's like Brough.

But his weak points - kicking , passing l to r and controlling a game are not luxuries for a SH. When he is confident he still cannot execute these skills anywhere near a high enough level.

it may be flawed - it is a bit of added interest and somethin "similar" must go on between staff and players to contribute to the end of season awards

........quite simply - supporters who attended the match/ saw it on TV etc award 3 points for their man of the match - 2 for runner up - and 1 for the third for each fixture --and can expand on "why" /"how" they reached that decision

At the end of the season - the player with the most points is player of the season in this particular "contest"

It can obviously be influenced by injuries / being dropped (for whatever reason ) but even then can provide who in the eyes of those who bother to take part is "doing his bit" and making a consistent positive contribution - be it "skill" /"effort" or a combination of both
Whilst different fans see the strength and weakness of a player indifferent ways - in my opinion this particular " fans poll" seemed to indicate that across the board - the majority democratic view was that Robbo hadn`t done too badly on a consistency basis - and there hadnt been much in the way of wave of criticism about his performances previous to last week

Maybe there have been a few lack lustre performaces recently --but that can happen to any player - and it seemed unfair in my opinion to single him out for criticism if hes trying
Whilst I personally feel he sometimes DOES try maybe TOO hard and GO FOR GLORY -- is that worse than taking such a "SAFE" risk free approach that is totally un-inventive and creates nothing ??
Speaking personally --I think not !
What then criticism that he "never takes the defence and offloads uneccesarily"
Life can be difficult for a little lad!!

The 'Glory play' is far worse than the SAFE option when defending. Darting out of the line to make a big tackle when it is not necessary undermines a good defensive system. we saw it in the CC Final.

Robbo is not an inventive or creative player. To do that as a SH you need to be able to execute a wide variety of pass and kick options and then select the right one for the situation you find yourself in. Robbo is weak in these areas. he fairs better as a 'hooker' - simpler decisions to make, less need of a kicking game, most passes simpler (to 1st receiver).

If he was as bad as you paint him MG I think an astute coach such as what we now appear to have would have made concerted efforts to replace him as soon as possible once hed found out that our Australian candidate couldnt come

He hasnt
Hes stood by him and I`ll back his judgement given the improvements we`ve made

After all - if we`ve finished third and Nathan hasnt seen that we could have been much higher if only he hadnt played such a poor player in a key position its time for a change

How yer fixed??

Try to explain your own views rather than misrepresent mine. I have never said he is a bad player. He is not a top quality SH and I have given specific reasons why I arrive at that conclusion. So far you have not explained why technically he is a top flight SH.

If you cannot see the CCF defensive errors made by Robbo and their direct consequences I doubt you can analyse his ability as a SH.

If you have proof of what NB has / has not done re the moving of Robbo then provide it. If other clubs did not want him he could not be moved on. We will see what happens in 2010 when NB has some alternatives and whether NB wants to renew the contract at the end of 2010.

Robbo is the weakest SH in the play offs. With a Dobson/Bosc/Burrow/Brough etc we would have had a home tie last week IMO.

This topic requires some sober analysis. How yer fixed??

How nice to have a proper discussion. Lets keep it that way

I am assured that at the begining of the season Brown was trying to offload Robbo without much success.

Once Carney was not coming it was impossible to get another quality half back in hence the signing of Fulton.

Brough was being touted to replace Robbo with him going to Hooker. The idea was to give us a good kicking game.

When Brough fell through we went for Drew to cover at SH or hooker.

Decisions on Robbo will depend on what happens at the end of 2010 and if we sign a SO or a SH.

Question

.............so - if you ask a skilled electrician to do the plumbing in a bathroom --and it doesnt work right --whos to blame -the electrician or the contract manager ??

Just a thought

Who is the contract manager? Is the skilled electrician also a qualified plumber? Did he do the plumbing or did he refuse? He could've asked his plumber friend to do it for him? Did Chris Thorman fit your bathroom? Did Jon Sharp ask him to? Who did the electrics?

Surely there are more appropriate websites where you can discuss the hiring of building professionals.

Likewise if you want to write random thoughts that you have about electricians and plumbers maybe a rugby league forum is not the best place for it - maybe you could record them in a note book?

This is a thread on a rugby league forum. The thread is about the ability of the Giants player Luke Robinson. do you have any specific comments about his skill set?

and if its a SO DG -- will this discussion rumble on .

Hopefully Nathan wont have his hands tied when it comes to recruitment

The thing that rankles though after this "good" season is picking out one player as a scapegoat If hes picked in that position and does his best - can we ask for anything more ?

If hes the wrong man for that position and its "make do and mend" - then the blame cant be laid purely at "his door"

Similarly - I presume despite his other perceived faults he can read a public forum and criticism of this sort can be counter productive


Cup Finalists / playoffs / 3rd in table - and we`re saying that somerone in a pivot role is a weak link


Good lord ! And the times Ive been labelled a moaning giffer!!



Why is it OK to get on some players backs, whilst with others --its just an " off day"

Hope he has a belter this week --and quietens the knockers
All power to the lads elbow!!
( Maybe it`ll improve his passing!)




C`mon Robbo !!

from the above --hes a bit quicker than you!

Ball taps!

I haven't read anywhere anyone having a go at Robinsons effort.

ATEOTD though he can't pass left to right. He does seem to have occasional brainfarts when he breaks the line and I can certainly see why Brown might have plans to play him in a hooking role next season as his stronger points, speed off the mark, breaking the line and his handiness around the ruck, are suited to the role.

A scrum half that isn't good at passing l to r and who, at times, lacks composure is far from ideal. Out of the top 4 clubs we do have the weakest scrum half. Burrow, Long, Dobson or Robinson. IMO though to replace him we'd need to go to the NRL. It's not that he's a bad player and it's not that he isn't a tryer because he clearly is. But your big plays come from 6 & 7 and you rely on them to make the right decisions and throw the money balls.

This is going in circles now.

I dont think anyone is having a go at Robbo to try to make him a scapegoat we are just pointing out some of his skill limitations.

I really like Robbo and am confident that he can run Catalans ragged on friday night. I also am glad that we have had a good season. ( first one i can remember).

BUT we have played Leeds twice this year and Saints 3 times in the league this year. In all of those we have played well particularly defensively ( i think our widest losing margin was 12 points). What we have lacked is the regular ability to break down TOP QUALITY defences which is what we need to do to move on to the top level. Next year we have to be beating Leeds and Saints to improve ( otherwise we willprobably stay the same or go backwards).

there are many facets to attacking but in most cases teams look to their halfbacks for the killer plays. Robbo does not have enough in his nal to do that. He will i think offer a lot playing his game at hooker but we need a half back who has the skill to break down good defences. The kicking game, the sidestep, the killer pass. None of these are Robbos strong points. As good as he is and i really like him he is not the answer to our attacking needs. KB has improved this year in respect of his skills, hopefully he will get better. Robbos performances have improved but not with the pre requisite improvement in skills to take us forward. IMO.