Hampshire's no slouch,just needs to be played in the right position.

Agree with everything there plus Riddy to do the tactical kicking. Yet again Reynolds fails to find touch from a free kick like he does at least once each match. Also, almost every kick on the 5th tackle was a lame up and under straight to the full back. Then just before half time, the ball finally got to Ridyard who did a massive bomb that went twice as high as any previously from Reynolds. I was convinced the coaching staff would have noticed this at half time and rectify the situation. But no, the same aimless kicking out of hand by Reynolds 2nd half was just as abysmal. Please leave the tactical kicking to the best kicker in the club on Friday-give Riddy a try!!

Problems over the next few weeks as it's difficult to see how the personnel can change - Stewart excepted, squad seems a bit threadbare at the moment.

Watch the tries a few times and pretty much every Widnes try could have been avoided if our defence had been anything like like it was v saints/Hudds/wire
My lad was in Liverpool on Saturday, and I texted him just before the KO saying I had a bad feeling about this - turned out to be right.
Even after a poor performance we got back in the game twice, and could really of gone on and won it, poor game management and discipline cost us again
If he plays Riddy needs to be more involved

Be interesting to see our reaction on Friday

There's lots of criticism now because that was by far, our worst performance of the season so far! Had we performed like that against Leeds, Saints, Wire and Huddersfield we would have been murdered!!
I suppose we all expected us to blow Widnes away, I know my Widnes season ticket holding immediate family did because, they wouldn't go!! For those who don't know, that is not how Widnes have played this season which, is illustrated in their league position. They have been without halfbacks all season, prior to our match and, the returning Tom Gilmore certainly improved their play. I don't like Denis Betts and I don't think he likes us? He said; we couldn't get away with playing 'Pennie' Rugby in Super League! I'm not entirely sure what that alludes to however, I think he may be accusing us of foul play?
P@@s off Denis take your win and keep your advice to yourself and, your 3 points!!

Well Harold, I pretty much agree with all that you say! Some Posters have accused Riddy of being 'anonymous' I wonder how many times we would have breached the Widnes defence without him?
I cant understand why posters are talking of signing a young Scrum Half, we already have one, Ryan Hampshire!!
This lad is out of the Scrum Halve mould, he's stocky, tough, eye for a gap and is quick, oh and he has bags of Super League experience, far more than Ben Reynolds!! Someone will come here now and tell me Wane and Powell didn't rate him? the fact is, they had Matty Smith and Luke Gale, England scrum halves available to them!! I would say to our Coaches; open your eyes and put this lad where he should be playing, at number 7!!
As for Ben Reynolds, try him at fullback and, leave all the kicking to Riddy who has served us well, so far!!!!

I will sum up the first 5 mins. Great kick off gives us head and feed, Dawson has a brain fart and runs it out on the 2nd, we concede a penalty to bring Widnes out of their half and then the score off a short kick as we stay off the half back. That just about sums the entire game up.
Problems. No strike players with Patterson Stewart and Tonga missing. Reduced backline options with Clare and Tonga out. No conductor with Drinky out. No non fed spots free reduce our options to improve the squad, this imo was the mistake in our recruitment as I believe we have plenty available to spend on the cap but do we do that now or before the middle eights knowing they would then be fit for when it mattered?
Which no feds are on one year deals?
I still feel a line up of Brown, Higson Crooks Tonga Clare, Ridyard/Reynolds Drinkwater, Hock Higham Acton, Stewart Patterson Hansen Subs Tickle Hood/Pellisier Hopkins Burr is more than good enough to hold its own in the T8 and certainly good enough in the mid 8's but too many are injured from a small squad that does not have the luxury of 5 years of academy supporting it. Lets face it we will have few options to shuffle at present and playing without a second row will take it out of the grunts and wingers who will be doing the extra shifts

PS We have had Hicks 3 times this season, each time we have lost and the 3 losses have been our heaviest 3. Each time I felt he hurt us in penalty count and how the 10m/ptb was policed - btw we were on Saturday

PPS you shouldn't have a half back making 32 tackles like Reynolds had to do

Mo, I'm glad you left Vea & Green out of your line up. They're has much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
BTW - When is Pato and Maria due back?

Vea does very little in plenty field minutes, squad player for me as he takes nothing out of the opposition. If on a one year deal then I would look to ship him out somewhere and bring in a stand off with real pace from Aus, together with a centre if Tonga is going to be out much longer - pity as he is pure class. Only heard rumours on Patterson which aint good, health is more important than RL

Cheers for that Mo. You're quite right about health is more important than RL,or anything else for that matter.I hope patto makes a full recovery, whatever the problem is. I only know he had an head injury,so fingers crossed he's ok.

What are the rumours Moz ?

I had a tweet back from Cory a few days back, though he is not likely to say if he is going/can't play anymore etc !

What are the rumours Moz ?

I had a tweet back from Cory a few days back, though he is not likely to say if he is going/can't play anymore etc !

I don't agree one bit regarding Green sorry , I think the lad has done well when he's played . On what grounds do you think he's poop?

correct on ever count

correct on every count

The team we had out on Saturday are more than capable of beating Widnes and several other SL teams , so no current need to bring in anybody right now , we played poorly , we will play better next time , knee jerk reactions after every below par performance aren't what we need , we are now playing in SL and have been competitive in all but 1 game

Chill pills required

We were ok in the last 20 mins at Cas. We shud av beat Leeds but didn't we then beat Wire Saints and Hudds who are hardly at the top of their form.

Second half at Wakefield our lads were very bad as they where on Saturday.

Frank , we were better than Cas for the first 18 as well ' let down by a lack of composure

Second half at Wakey we lost Drinkwater and were on the back of some dubious decisions

Competitive in all the rest

Sorry I think Green is a good player , each to their own I guess .

Indeed Keith , but fortunate that a season isn't one and a half games either , so no need to throw the baby out wi, well you know the rest

God forbid we'd have had the start of Widnes or Wire , massive overreaction to some poor form , I've faith in all our players whoever gets the nod , and faith in the coaching staff to sort out our problems

Do I think Chase was a sensible signing or a publicity stunt ? , probably the latter , and perhaps while not something I'd want to see long term I'd be happy to indulge our benefactor that one time

Pity we didn't get Jarryd Hayne for the 8 s , but ultimately we got what we wanted so I'm happy with that , I'm sure Dereck like everybody is still learning

I've lost track of this topic, why are we criticising our owner? from where I was sat on Saturday, he didnt appear to be in the 17 out on the pitch!!!
Im a bit sick of hearing how other teams have players missing, Cunningham,McDermott and Betts amoungst others!
Looking to my left in the stand on Saturday I could see the following players; Glen Stewart,Willie Tonga,Josh Drinkwater,Cory Patterson,Antonia Maria,Eloi Pelissier,Gregg McNally and James Clare ! Thats eight players who, had they been available would have been in our seventeen!!
Its all right buying new players however, these guys are all on Contract salaries and there is only so much spend !!
When you here other clubs moaning about injuries suspensions etc.... just remind them, we too have got our share and we've got on with it!!
Lets show a bit more respect on here for the investment our owner has put into this club, without him, we would not be here in SL!!

I've lost track of this topic, why are we criticising our owner? from where I was sat on Saturday, he didnt appear to be in the 17 out on the pitch!!!
Im a bit sick of hearing how other teams have players missing, Cunningham,McDermott and Betts amoungst others!
Looking to my left in the stand on Saturday I could see the following players; Glen Stewart,Willie Tonga,Josh Drinkwater,Cory Patterson,Antonia Maria,Eloi Pelissier,Gregg McNally and James Clare ! Thats eight players who, had they been available would have been in our seventeen!!
Its all right buying new players however, these guys are all on Contract salaries and there is only so much you can spend !!
When you hear other clubs moaning about injuries suspensions etc.... just remind them, we too have got our share and we've got on with it!!
Lets show a bit more respect on here for the investment our owner has put into this club, without him, we would not be here in SL!!

Anymore injuries and there wont be a choice other than to bring others in.Similar to last season the sick board is filling up,add suspensions to that and you have real problems. Thats not moaning,thats fact.

Simple question Atomic , was the team selected on sat good enough to have got a win against Widnes if they had performed as they have in other matches ?

Of the list supplied by Kirkhall along with others like Lachlan Burr , some can return now and others will follow , so ATM we still have a squad capable of contesting matches against most in SL

That may change , and I'm sure there will be a contingency for that eventuality

On paper,yes Ste. In reality no. The facts show without Drinkwater we struggle.Riddy has very little game time under his belt this season and not fitting into the role seamlessly at present along with others. Now the question is given Riddy needs more game time do you play him Friday? Even if Drinkwater is fit!

Granted the injury scenario isn't helping,but I do feel at present the coaches need to think out of the box a little on who is playing where.Consistency at present can only be gained by having a consistent squad in consistent positions. If that comes at a cost then they know they have no option but to strengthen.Players in stands don't win games.