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The Davies Report has recommended that the Rugby League Challenge Cup be removed from the list of free-to-air events. To remove the Challenge Cup from the free-to-air list would mean a huge and very significant drop in exposure for the game, which will severely limit the ability of the sport to grow. For a sport which has proven to have benefits to health and wellbeing and is able to be adapted for almost any person (whether able bodied or not) to play, this could also have serious knock-on effects in health terms throughout the country. Further details of the consultation period can be found [url=http://www.culture.gov.uk/reference_library/consultations/6496.aspxHERE[/url
After the closure of the consultation period, the Secretary of State will make a decision on whether to accept or ignore these recommendations which is being opposed by the RFL, the APPRLG (All Party Parliamentary Rugby League Group) and Supporters Direct. He will take into account ALL available information and views. It is felt by all parties that a large number of responses opposing this recommendation could ensure the Challenge Cup remains on the protected list for future generations to enjoy and I would urge you to show your support for this campaign in one (or both) of two ways:
Firstly, an online petition has now been set up at [urlhttp://www.gopetition.com/online/32754.html[/url
Please add your name to this petition which will be forwarded to Neil Turner, Secretary of the APPRLG a week prior to the closure of the consultation.
Secondly, you can send your response to David Patterson at the DCMS either via email on listedeventsconsultation@culture.gsi.gov.uk or via mail at:
David Patterson
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The Davies Report has recommended that the Rugby League Challenge Cup be removed from the list of free-to-air events. To remove the Challenge Cup from the free-to-air list would mean a huge and very significant drop in exposure for the game, which will severely limit the ability of the sport to grow. For a sport which has proven to have benefits to health and wellbeing and is able to be adapted for almost any person (whether able bodied or not) to play, this could also have serious knock-on effects in health terms throughout the country. Further details of the consultation period can be found [url=http://www.culture.gov.uk/reference_library/consultations/6496.aspxHERE[/url
After the closure of the consultation period, the Secretary of State will make a decision on whether to accept or ignore these recommendations which is being opposed by the RFL, the APPRLG (All Party Parliamentary Rugby League Group) and Supporters Direct. He will take into account ALL available information and views. It is felt by all parties that a large number of responses opposing this recommendation could ensure the Challenge Cup remains on the protected list for future generations to enjoy and I would urge you to show your support for this campaign in one (or both) of two ways:
Firstly, an online petition has now been set up at [urlhttp://www.gopetition.com/online/32754.html[/url
Please add your name to this petition which will be forwarded to Neil Turner, Secretary of the APPRLG a week prior to the closure of the consultation.
Secondly, you can send your response to David Patterson at the DCMS either via email on listedeventsconsultation@culture.gsi.gov.uk or via mail at:
David Patterson
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I don't agree that any sporting event should be free to air, why should they be?
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Because not everyone can afford Sky Sports? If you are paying the best part of £500 for season tickets for the family & then have to pay another £216 a year for Sky Sports where you may see your team play 10 times a year - that's a hell of an outlay for dedicated RL fans never mind for the casual viewer of whom there are an awful lot more will flick on to watch the Cup games on terrestrial TV than Sky...
All RL fans should be signing the petition without hesitation.
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| Quote ="magic piano"Because not everyone can afford Sky Sports? If you are paying the best part of £500 for season tickets for the family & then have to pay another £216 a year for Sky Sports where you may see your team play 10 times a year - that's a hell of an outlay for dedicated RL fans never mind for the casual viewer of whom there are an awful lot more will flick on to watch the Cup games on terrestrial TV than Sky...
All RL fans should be signing the petition without hesitation.'" presumably you feel entitled to plenty of free stuff then? i quite fancy a ferrari but can't afford one so surely i should be entitled to at least a subaru wrx for free. |
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Funny.
Most sports with the exception of tossball need to attract new viewers & participants to themselves in order to perpetuate. Yes Sky has probably saved RL in many ways, allowing the development of a professional sport through Superleague, but in order to attract more people to the game there should be an element of free to view within the top echelons of the sport.
England won the Ashes in cricket this year - over 1 million fewer viewers saw the series on tv thanks to it being broadcast on subscription rather than free to view as it was in 05 with Channel 4. The overall impact was considerably less too directly as a result of fewer people being aware of the series taking place not least England's victory.
Sky has a very valuable place in British sport these days, but it should not be the only place.
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| Quote ="magic piano"Funny.
Most sports with the exception of tossball need to attract new viewers & participants to themselves in order to perpetuate. Yes Sky has probably saved RL in many ways, allowing the development of a professional sport through Superleague, but in order to attract more people to the game there should be an element of free to view within the top echelons of the sport.
England won the Ashes in cricket this year - over 1 million fewer viewers saw the series on tv thanks to it being broadcast on subscription rather than free to view as it was in 05 with Channel 4. The overall impact was considerably less too directly as a result of fewer people being aware of the series taking place not least England's victory.
Sky has a very valuable place in British sport these days, but it should not be the only place.'" I don't disagree about the coverage to a wider 'free' audiance. Being off this sacred list doesn't mean that the Challenge cup must become a paid view. It is upto the rugby league if they want to tout it to Sky etc.. for more money, so it's upto them regarding the argument about developing the game with free tho air events. However i don't see why any event sporting or otherwise MUST be kept free. People are just used to having they feel they should be entitled to it. |
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| Quote ="gary numan"presumably you feel entitled to plenty of free stuff then? i quite fancy a ferrari but can't afford one so surely i should be entitled to at least a subaru wrx for free.'"
no but you can see a ferari for free on the TV 
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| Quote ="Tony Catsmith"no but you can see a ferari for free on the TV
well, top gear/bbc licence fee free anyhoo'"
Well you can look at the outside of the HJ stadium for free but it will cost you to go inside and watch the game. Peolpe get that concept and accept that. It's only habit that outrages them when you apply the same concept to things they have been used to enjoying previously for free. |
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| Quote ="rchick"The Davies Report has recommended that the Rugby League Challenge Cup be removed from the list of free-to-air events. To remove the Challenge Cup from the free-to-air list would mean a huge and very significant drop in exposure for the game, which will severely limit the ability of the sport to grow.'"
We hardly get any exposure as it is, Roy. 41 seconds of airtime on a tv station that actually shows RL proved this.
Sorry fella, but I won't be signing the petition. The sooner the CC is moved to a station that acutally gives a rats about RL and won't treat it with the contempt that the BBC show it, the better. And if that does end up being Sky, then so be it. |
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| Quote ="gary numan"I don't agree that any sporting event should be free to air, why should they be?'"
It's not free you have to buy a tv license  so nothing is free and sky is expensive and if the game is to get to a wider audience it needs to be on the beeb or ITV |
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| Quote ="PADDERS"It's not free you have to buy a tv license
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Quote ="PADDERS" and sky is expensive and if the game is to get to a wider audience it needs to be on the beeb or ITV'"
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I hope Dave Or Quest buy the rights to show the challenge cup ...how cool would that be... a morning of when sport goes bad, worlds deadliest animals, when sharks attack. then The Challenge cup sponsored by WD40 or something. then wind down after the game with Surf patrol and Super tankers......
No longer should the challenge cup be sandwiched in between the 1.45 queen Eugiene handicap from Doncaster and the South korean ping pong final....
Lets get Rugby League off the BBC..its a channel for Stiffs....home of sports personality of the year and other like minded useless Tat
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"the BBC..its a channel for Stiffs....'"
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| Quote ="WireFanatic II"We hardly get any exposure as it is, Roy. 41 seconds of airtime on a tv station that actually shows RL proved this.
Sorry fella, but I won't be signing the petition. The sooner the CC is moved to a station that acutally gives a rats about RL and won't treat it with the contempt that the BBC show it, the better. And if that does end up being Sky, then so be it.'"
Here here get it off the bbc its cr"p coverage anyway look at this year’s game nothing afterwards poor very poor cameras presenters everything is poor let sky have it at least you see the game and 9/10 times you have someone presenting it who knows what there on about |
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Would those who refuse to sign the petition be the first to complain if the Challenge Cup is scrapped by the RFL?
IMO taking the CC off the protected list is the first step in its demise. It allows the BBC to drop its coverage, and if this happens who will step in?
Sky? They're only bothered about selling subscriptions in the long term, and with the RL community cornered broadcasting SL and the Championships its most likely they won't be interested or treat it with contempt.
ITV? And you moan about the BBC being a poor broadcaster. ITV will never be interested in RL.
Channel 4 or Five? Neither have the money despite their sports coverage being small.
ESPN? See ITV, plus their schedule is bursting with football and American sports.
Attendances are on the demise as it is, especially in the earlier rounds if we're tied with a lower league side or anyone other than Saints and Wigan. All the focus and attention is on SL in the media which is affecting casual supporters interests across the game. Eventually it won't be financially feasible for the RFL to run the competition and the lower teams will earn a significantly less amount of gate receipts which they so desperately need. We have got to a stage where the CC is only important for expansion and awareness of the sport across the country, and dropping it from the list is a significant step back from that point of view.
The RFL is in a different position to say the ECB, where the ECBs primary income is from SKY. The RFL has Sky's money and free-to-air broadcasting so has the best of both worlds similar to the FA Cup.
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Here here get it off the bbc its cr"p coverage anyway look at this year’s game nothing afterwards poor very poor cameras presenters everything is poor let sky have it at least you see the game and 9/10 times you have someone presenting it who knows what there on about'"
Eddie & Stevo are about as big a pastiche of the archetypal RL commentator as Eddie Waring & Ray French. At least the BBC have in Clare Balding & Dave Woods people who genuinely enjoy watching the game & are interested in introducing the game to new people rather than shouting crap at every opportunity. Admittedly Jonathan Davies needs putting out to pasture (or RU permanently), but Noble, Morgan & Robbie Paul are excellent summarisers.
The BBC have a different approach - RL is not one of it's major sports but they will still clear the schedules for the Cup weekends & try to show the Challenge Cup as a major event in the sporting calendar; instead of Sky's approach that it's a mere interruption inbetween SL rounds. If you want to see how seriously Sky take the Cup, look at their highlights coverage of the final... |
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| Quote ="Peckerwood"Would those who refuse to sign the petition be the first to complain if the Challenge Cup is scrapped by the RFL?'"
I know the RFL have their knockers, but do you seriously think they would be stupid enough to scrap the Challenge Cup? A trophy that's been on offer for 113 years?
Quote ="Peckerwood"IMO taking the CC off the protected list is the first step in its demise. It allows the BBC to drop its coverage, and if this happens who will step in?'"
If the BBC really cared about RL, you'd think they would do the opposite of dropping their coverage. If they do decide to do that, then it just proves what they really think of the Greatest Game.
Quote ="Peckerwood"Sky? They're only bothered about selling subscriptions in the long term,'"
It's Sky, of course that's what they are only bothered about. Still, they have the money.
Quote ="Peckerwood"and with the RL community cornered broadcasting SL and the Championships its most likely they won't be interested or treat it with contempt.'"
You don't know that though. It's feasable that Sky might treat the CC like they treat SL.
Quote ="Peckerwood"ITV? And you moan about the BBC being a poor broadcaster. ITV will never be interested in RL.'"
They used to broadcast it though I doubt they would take it onboard again should the opportunity arise. You never know, could get CC coverage on ITV fronted once again by that smug git Steve Rider.
Quote ="Peckerwood"Channel 4 or Five? Neither have the money despite their sports coverage being small.'"
Next!!
Quote ="Peckerwood"ESPN? See ITV, plus their schedule is bursting with football and American sports.'"
All the Amercian sports have their own dedicated channel, ESPN America. The only time ESPN actually show american sports is late night, so it will have no bearing on any RL coverage.
Quote ="Peckerwood"Attendances are on the demise as it is, especially in the earlier rounds if we're tied with a lower league side or anyone other than Saints and Wigan.'"
They have been on the demise for years anyway.
Quote ="Peckerwood"All the focus and attention is on SL in the media which is affecting casual supporters interests across the game. Eventually it won't be financially feasible for the RFL to run the competition and the lower teams will earn a significantly less amount of gate receipts which they so desperately need. We have got to a stage where the CC is only important for expansion and awareness of the sport across the country, and dropping it from the list is a significant step back from that point of view.'"
Fully agree.
Quote ="Peckerwood"The RFL is in a different position to say the ECB, where the ECBs primary income is from SKY. The RFL has Sky's money and free-to-air broadcasting so has the best of both worlds similar to the FA Cup.'"
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At present the BBC are not legally obligated to show the Challenge Cup are they? I might be wrong and feel free to correct me but protected events must be shown on terrestrial TV so the BBC have the rights as presumably they offer more money than ITV, C4 or C5 do, yes?
Just because Sky are allowed to bid doesn't mean the RFL will sell it to them and in fact if the BBC had a rival serious bidder it might make them up their game to provide a higher quality of coverage than they do now rather than taking it for granted. What are Granstand's viewing figures now? In the modern era of Sky Sports News (available on Freeview without subscription and shows Soccer Saturday) I wouldn't be surprised if the CC is one of the BBC's biggest audience pullers in that slot.
It annoys me greatly that Saturday games kick off at 2.30 to accommodate Final Score - a BBC institution I acknowledge but barely relevant in the present day and could surely be shown on BBC2 on Challenge Cup Final day at least to allow a 3pm kick off and appropriate level of post match reaction.
I may be taking a very simplistic view and I admit I am uneducated with regards the in and outs so again feel free to correct me, but at face value I see this as a potential blessing in disguise.
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As an aside it is only the final itself that is protected is it not? The FA Cup Final is protected but the rounds are shared between terrestrial and Sky (and actually I think Sky show the final as well as BBC/ITV don't they?)
As long as the final is televised on terrestrial there is no legal problem. The same therefore applies to the Challenge Cup I imagine.
The fact that the Challenge Cup is only shown on the BBC throughout the competition at present desite the fact that it doesn't have to be suggests maintaining as much terrestrial coverage as possible while allowing Sky to run the show in SL is a big priority for the RFL anyway and there's no reason why that needs to change.
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Haha fair do's - shows how up to date I am. Do they normally show sport of some description on a Saturday avvy though? Final Score is still on every week, yes?
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| Quote ="Dropkick Murphy"As an aside it is only the final itself that is protected is it not? The FA Cup Final is protected but the rounds are shared between terrestrial and Sky (and actually I think Sky show the final as well as BBC/ITV don't they?)'"
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Obviously I'm making a lot of errors here! In my defence I go to a lot of rugby and football games but don't watch very many on telly despite having every sports channel available.
The basic point though is that presumably even now the Challenge Cup could be shared between terrestrial and subscription broadcasters, a la the FA Cup, so the fact that it isn't suggests terrestrial coverage is a priority at the RFL whether it has to be or not.
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Plenty of rumours flying about that come the change in certain FTA rights that Dicky Branston channel Virgin 1 will bid for some sports.
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Let Sky pay for the privellage of showing the Challenge Cup.
The sport gets more money and we don't have to have Ray French errr-ing and therrr-ing his way through matches, while John Indervale smirks his way through the Rah Rah results at half time.
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so nothing is free and sky is expensive and if the game is to get to a wider audience it needs to be on the beeb or ITV
