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| Quote ="Shabino"I think this signing finally proves to me that the whole Warrington franchise is absolutely delusional. How anybody thinks this will enhance your squad is beyond be.
5-6 years ago the great Greg Imglis was the best RL player the sport had ever seen imho, but as I said 5-6 years ago, pre injury, way pre retirement....'"
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| Quote ="Matt King's kitten"Fantastic signing, all the credit has to go to the board and Karl for making this happen.
Loving the bitter Leeds and Wigan fans trying to pour cold water on the news. They'd both be having street parties if he was joining either of them.'"
The majority of Wigan fans seem to think it's a good signing, risky yes, but good for our game over here.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"
But has there ever been a more expensively assembled squad in Super League? Widdop, Austin AND Inglis on the same salary cap? Plus Ratchford, Clark, Hill etc... Madness'"
You are kidding right
Saints 2006.....
Jamie Lyon
James Graham
Paul Anderson
Nick Fozzard
Paul Sculthorpe
Kieron Cunningham
James Roby
Leon Pryce
Sean Long
Paul wellens
Throw in Willie Talau Francis meli..
I don't think you even had any plodders that year...maybe Jason cayless that's it..
And no marquee rule back then...
Selective memory on you lot....
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| Regarding the salary cap. Four teams have won SL since its inception. 1 went spectacularly bust which tells its own story and between the other three the salary cap has been cheated 4 times...or is it 5? They will have to remind me. The absolute nerve to have a pop and suggest we're trying to buy a title. Every team would be pleased with this signing and theyre lying if they say otherwise.
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| Quote ="Or thane"
Get rid of Jason Clark'"
The same Jason Clark who Greg Inglis phoned first in sounding out playing for the Wire because they are good friends.....
Yeah that would be a proper thank you For Clark....
Plus given Inglis's mental issues it would make absolute sense for Inglis to have a close friend in the squad.....
I would be astonished if we off loaded Clark now....
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| Quote ="Shabino"I think this signing finally proves to me that the whole Warrington franchise is absolutely delusional. How anybody thinks this will enhance your squad is beyond be.
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He can cover multiple positions so adds value as a squad player. Fully fit he could arguably push Toby King for a starting spot in the centres.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"You are kidding right
Saints 2006.....
Jamie Lyon
James Graham
Paul Anderson
Nick Fozzard
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Kieron Cunningham
James Roby
Leon Pryce
Sean Long
Paul wellens
Throw in Willie Talau Francis meli..
I don't think you even had any plodders that year...maybe Jason cayless that's it..
And no marquee rule back then...
Selective memory on you lot....'"
Half of those players are academy graduates playing for the love of the town, the shirt and their people. Jamie Lyon was on a journey back to the game after losing his way and wasn't on insane money. And only one of those are overseas players, domestic stars were cheaper then as the threat of a move to the NRL wasn't really there. Also a bigger cap in those days as it didn't change for many a year after that, so actual bang for your buck was at it's peak then.
Plus we may have been caught making a couple of admin errors with the cap in those days too, so everything was clearly on max.
I think the reality is that all clubs in Super League are working outside of the cap. The RFL and their auditors don't really care. I always cite standing waiting for a football match to start in Winwick and seeing some very expensive and elaborate stone being delivered to Jon Wilkin's house. We joked at the time that we should check who paid for the goods. Super League clubs owners all have interests in multiple ventures, are SL really checking everything? No chance. Overseas player signs for a SL club for £120k a year. Gets paid £200k into an offshore account for 'consultancy work' 12 months after completing his contract when in the NRL/retired. Who finds that? So many ways around the cap, I'm sure a few will come out when players release auto-biographies or get broke and sell the story in the future.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"You are kidding right
Saints 2006.....
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Paul Anderson
Nick Fozzard
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Kieron Cunningham
James Roby
Leon Pryce
Sean Long
Paul wellens
Throw in Willie Talau Francis meli..
I don't think you even had any plodders that year...maybe Jason cayless that's it..
And no marquee rule back then...
Selective memory on you lot....'"
What about Wigan with Radlinski, Dallas, Renouf, Connolly, Robinson, Farrell, McDermott, Newton...they were then able to add Lam and Matty Johns
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| Quote ="NSW"Stop me if you thinking that you’ve heard this one before. Another year another big signing. When will you ever learn that long term sustainable success comes from investment in youth. Give them time, patience.
Sign a promising young player from Widnes - play him at headingly against Konrad Hurral - fans write him off - sign Greg Inglis. It’s rather embarrassing.
But hey ho, enjoy watching his highlights from 6 years ago and get excited. Always seem to make the headlines signing players but only 3 teams make the headlines picking up the big trophy at old Trafford.'"
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Regarding the salary cap. Four teams have won SL since its inception. 1 went spectacularly bust which tells its own story and between the other three the salary cap has been cheated 4 times...or is it 5? They will have to remind me. The absolute nerve to have a pop and suggest we're trying to buy a title. Every team would be pleased with this signing and theyre lying if they say otherwise.'"
I would have been pleased if Saints signed Inglis, borderline delighted, which for me is a big thing. But you are trying to buy the title. I don't think there's any shame in that? Other clubs are either trying to slash the cap to have an excuse to save money or are in a holding position to see what's left when the sport returns, you've got the cheque book out trying to gain a competitive advantage. It's ambition and a commitment to be the best they can be, there's nothing wrong with that.
The notion of Wire trying to buy the title will always be there because of your record at bringing academy players through. You do need to improve in that area, but I'm sure you realise that. There seems to be as much focus and investment in the youth development now, particularly after the Rylands team all signed elsewhere last year. Everything seemed to get ramped up last year and you definitely highlighted the right players from the next age group.
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| "Buying the title"...what does that even mean? Do Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea care if they are accused of buying the title? If you have the resources to improve your team by recruiting talent then good for you. Wigan did it for an entire decade and beyond. So any fan from another club that comes on here bleating "buying the title" just looks small time and bitter. This IS ONLY a good story for Rugby League in the Northern Hemisphere. To have one of the greatest players come and resurrect his career after issues with mental health is nothing but POSITIVE. yes its a gamble...but thats Warrington's decision. Jealous fans also moan about "bringing on the youth".... how inspiring for the youth of Warrington to see a global super star...our young players will have not only a brilliant role model, a winner, but also an amazing teacher in G.I. They must be as excited as all the fans. Can't wait to see him play.
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I think the reality is that all clubs in Super League are working outside of the cap. The RFL and their auditors don't really care. I always cite standing waiting for a football match to start in Winwick and seeing some very expensive and elaborate stone being delivered to Jon Wilkin's house. We joked at the time that we should check who paid for the goods. Super League clubs owners all have interests in multiple ventures, are SL really checking everything? No chance. Overseas player signs for a SL club for £120k a year. Gets paid £200k into an offshore account for 'consultancy work' 12 months after completing his contract when in the NRL/retired. Who finds that? So many ways around the cap, I'm sure a few will come out when players release auto-biographies or get broke and sell the story in the future.'"
I think you would be suprised at the level of audit rights the RFL has in terms of salary cap. There have been plenty of retiring major stars who have published biographies in the last ten years, I don't recall any startling cap revelations being reported.
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| The thing with this "you just bought the title" is, when a team actually wins the title their fans don't care if other people say that. Saints didn't produce Sculthorpe, Long and Newlove out of their own Academy did they.
If Wire did win the title, our fans would enjoy the moaning of Saints and Wigan fans just like City fans laugh at United.
The elephant in the room for me though is....I don't see Warrington's squad, even with Inglis and Widdop, as this all-time-great-how-do-they-get-it-under-the-cap roster that some are making out. Go and look through the squad again and ask yourself how many are genuine elite players. I count one, Daryl Clark. Four players who were in that category a few years ago but probably not in 2021: Hill, Currie, Inglis, Widdop. Then there's a handful of players in the next tier down, good but not great: Ratchford, Charnley, Lineham, Austin, Cooper. There are question marks over the coach too - is he a title-winning coach?
A team that is going to win SL needs a core of at least 3 probably 4 or 5 elite players with a supporting cast of very good players. If they have an unusually good coaching set up, they might be able to win with less (Wigan under Wane), if they have a questionable coach they need more (Saints under Millward).
Between 2010 and 2013 we had a better squad than we will have in 2021 and were good enough to win the title but unfortunately at that time there were other good teams (Leeds and Wigan) and they stopped us. The Wire squad from 2010 and 2013 if it were around in 2021 would be head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the league including Wire in 2021.
Yes I am pleased that we have signed Greg Inglis and this is the kind of ambition we should be showing. But to put in context, I was more excited from an on the field perspective when we signed Brett Hodgson who was a similar age and probably a better player at that stage. Off the field, obviously Inglis brings a status of one of the all time greats that Hodgson didn't have.
Does Inglis make us a "complete" squad ready to win the title? No...the pack isn't good enough and still too many question marks for me. But it may be more fun to watch.
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| Sts and Wire make the first moves for 2021, which is to be applauded, strange that others are poo pooing the moves (well the Wire move). Very positive news for a sport that has been struggling with two Chairmen who are standing out in the mud and other Chairmen wanting Salary Cap reductions introduced in a hope that they can prevent certain signings happen.
I am sure Sts fans will want another strong tilt at Old Trafford and the Wire fans will love the "its always your year" chants and the chances to see off teams when there is no hope. Another trip to OT with who knows maybe a win in 2021.
Roll on 2021
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| Quote ="Shabino"I think this signing finally proves to me that the whole Warrington franchise is absolutely delusional. How anybody thinks this will enhance your squad is beyond be.
5-6 years ago the great Greg Imglis was the best RL player the sport had ever seen imho, but as I said 5-6 years ago, pre injury, way pre retirement....'" 1 year is no risk to us fella, just hilarious that we’ve stuck to fingers up to uncle Gary and his merry men wanting to lower the cap... at least you’ve got 3 decent stands though eh?
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| The notion of Wire trying to buy the title will always be there because of your record at bringing academy players through. You do need to improve in that area, but I'm sure you realise that.
I agree.....Those promising youngsters Iestyn Harris and Paul Sculthorpe were abject failures.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"The thing with this "you just bought the title" is, when a team actually wins the title their fans don't care if other people say that. Saints didn't produce Sculthorpe, Long and Newlove out of their own Academy did they.
If Wire did win the title, our fans would enjoy the moaning of Saints and Wigan fans just like City fans laugh at United.
The elephant in the room for me though is....I don't see Warrington's squad, even with Inglis and Widdop, as this all-time-great-how-do-they-get-it-under-the-cap roster that some are making out. Go and look through the squad again and ask yourself how many are genuine elite players. I count one, Daryl Clark. Four players who were in that category a few years ago but probably not in 2021: Hill, Currie, Inglis, Widdop. Then there's a handful of players in the next tier down, good but not great: Ratchford, Charnley, Lineham, Austin, Cooper. There are question marks over the coach too - is he a title-winning coach?
A team that is going to win SL needs a core of at least 3 probably 4 or 5 elite players with a supporting cast of very good players. If they have an unusually good coaching set up, they might be able to win with less (Wigan under Wane), if they have a questionable coach they need more (Saints under Millward).
Between 2010 and 2013 we had a better squad than we will have in 2021 and were good enough to win the title but unfortunately at that time there were other good teams (Leeds and Wigan) and they stopped us. The Wire squad from 2010 and 2013 if it were around in 2021 would be head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the league including Wire in 2021.
Yes I am pleased that we have signed Greg Inglis and this is the kind of ambition we should be showing. But to put in context, I was more excited from an on the field perspective when we signed Brett Hodgson who was a similar age and probably a better player at that stage. Off the field, obviously Inglis brings a status of one of the all time greats that Hodgson didn't have.
Does Inglis make us a "complete" squad ready to win the title? No...the pack isn't good enough and still too many question marks for me. But it may be more fun to watch.'"
Spot on Sal
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| Quote ="Saddened!" There are a couple of really highly rated youngsters coming through again.'"
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| Call me an optimist or whatever, but I really cannot imagine there is any real doubt about Inglis's commitment or the impact he'll make at Wire.
Real top class performers are their own biggest critics. It's what drives them on, so they will be totally professional and deliver.
I've no concerns about the 'injuries'. He wouldn't have committed to next year if he thought they would significantly affect his performance - he'll manage them appropriately I'm sure.
Simply can't wait.
Wow, wow, wow.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Are they as highly rated as Richardson was?'"
You know, Richardson started really well at Cas, he was on course for young player of the year in Super League. He's a decent prospect still, watch out for him.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You know, Richardson started really well at Cas, he was on course for young player of the year in Super League. He's a decent prospect still, watch out for him.'"
If true it would leave a substantial stain on your last coach’s reputation.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I would have been pleased if Saints signed Inglis, borderline delighted, which for me is a big thing. But you are trying to buy the title. I don't think there's any shame in that? Other clubs are either trying to slash the cap to have an excuse to save money or are in a holding position to see what's left when the sport returns, you've got the cheque book out trying to gain a competitive advantage. It's ambition and a commitment to be the best they can be, there's nothing wrong with that.
The notion of Wire trying to buy the title will always be there because of your record at bringing academy players through. You do need to improve in that area, but I'm sure you realise that. There seems to be as much focus and investment in the youth development now, particularly after the Rylands team all signed elsewhere last year. Everything seemed to get ramped up last year and you definitely highlighted the right players from the next age group.'"
Buying a title...are we talking about the record breaking signature of Scully plus others in a cap breaching SL cup winning team..ohhh you mean Wire’s!!! Doh sorry, what was that about trying to buy a title?
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| Will he even get a Visa. Wasn't he one of the many NRl players with a history of domestic violence?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Half of those players are academy graduates playing for the love of the town, the shirt and their people.'"
I count 4 from 13 academy graduates from that list. Warrington have more now and they're the most accused of not promoting their own academy players.
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| Quote ="Shabino"Will he even get a Visa. Wasn't he one of the many NRl players with a history of domestic violence?'"
He got it Monday. That’s why it was announced Tuesday.
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