after dorn left, and hardaker imploded in 2017 is when it started spluttering, i've mentioned this before, they've had a revolving door at fb trying to replace dorn after hardaker tested positive, go have a look how many players they've tried to use at fb since then

Hughes all day long if he is still here next season I’m going to be beyond @#££&*

Hughes
Philbin
Currie
Widdop
Ratchford
Davis

i have a feeling we will be adding Mata'utia to that list before the end of the season as well.

Currie really isn't the problem, he hasn't been great but he hasn't had a lot to work with. Philbin was better today but still not great.

I think on reflection our biggest problem is that we don't win the ruck in either attack or defence, the workrate off the ball in attack isn't good enough. The decision making and organisation though is absolutely awful, we have 2 marquee halves and neither of them are organising their team mates to setup attacks. Widdop needs to be dropped at least Williams creates a little and seems interested, give him full responsibility, let Riley Dean have a go. Stop playing Jack Hughes.

Agreed with those. If none of these improve by the end of the year..

Hughes - nothing more to be said.
Philbin has been in decline for a couple of seasons. We should just cut our losses if no improvement.
Currie not as bad but hasn't been the same since serious injury. Another who we maybe think is world class but maybe isn't?
Widdop - one good season. Mega bucks. Time to go.
Ratchford - coming to the end. Time to retire at Salford (or Leigh)
Davis - lots of effort but not big or good enough.

1 thewlis
2 Ashton
3 wrench
4king
5
6 dean
Williams
8 cooper
9 walker
10
11 Currie
12 longstaf
13

14 bullock
15philbin
16clark
17

From the current seasons squad this is all that should be available for next season.

Currie has been dreadful this year. Lets not kid ourselves. He's never been the same since his serious injury.
He's another 'golden child' of ours similar to King. We think they're world class but they're not, sadly.

Currie has not just not been ‘not his best’ for two seasons he’s been ABYSMAL and was worse than that today. Must be dropped.

If any other player had played the same as currie he'd be dropped by now.

I will add that people have a pop at our pack but it’s inferred that out front row is the problem. Whilst far from perfect our front row options on the whole are trying….but where we are really lacking is the back 3 of the pack. Holmes - bang average so far, currie - utterly dreadful and loose forward is an afterthought. Hopefully magoulias can fix the latter but only Powell can fix the second row issue.

Don't suppose there's much chance of giving Wakey a bit of credit on here then

Wakefield were good and NO Warrington fan took them lightly, most sensible ones even foresaw the loss. Wakefield have a mid-table squad and have always been capable of turning over any side. To me they are a litmus test of a teams ambitions in the season…beat Wakefield away and you’re onto something good, ship 38 points at home to Wakefield with some truly abject defending then be assured that the season will be a long one

There's something in that.

Wakey won't win the league, but they always have some kind of say in who does (or, without doubt, make the play-offs).

Wakey have got some quality platters, and always a great team spirit. They’ll finish above Leeds this season, and will be deserved…..

Come on, we are going to be looking inwards win, lose or draw.

FWIW I don't know how our recruitment team missed lino and fifita, both walk in to and improve our first 13 and for considerably less cash on the cap than say Widdop and Philbin. KFP Out.

Wakey are a good team and don't have the points deserved from this season so far. That said you let a poor wire side be in the game at half time through poor discipline, our first 3 tries came after needless penalties.

That attempt to stop the halfback scoring a barge over was embarrassing.

I've got the feeling that the likes of Currie, King and Philbin think they are a lot better than they actually are. All of them are included in the side based on performances from 1 year+ ago.

If Powell wants to change attitudes he needs to drop a number of players and give them a kick up the backside.

Noted.

Will make sure we don't do that next week.

Love,
Willie P

Haha, you probably won't. I don't see us improving enough to turn over the deserved deficit from today.

But I bet we still give them a start on the handicap when it comes up.

It feels like the hierarchy at Wire love to flex their muscles and get a buzz from signings like Widdop and Williams but if you’re pumping so much of your cap space in to two halfbacks, you better make sure there’s enough left to put a decent pack in front of them.

It’s incredible to think how poorly managed teams like Wire, Wigan and Leeds have been this past few seasons. Saints are sat laughing themselves silly at the top of the tree, claiming they’ll go down as the best superleague side in history when the facts are they’re beating nothing teams. The whole league needs to wake up really.

Not about dismissing credit to Wakey. They have it, 100%.
The inner concern is about the continuing disrespect of the importance of a quality pack, more specifically, prop forwards.

i was saying this the other day... This saints team is nothing special at all... But the fact that all they really have to do is turn up and play pretty well to win everything, is a terrible inditement on the rest of the league.... I mean look at calatan.. a team of has beens and bullys are their only real challengers.

As you say, warrington, leeds and wigan have been mismanaged to quite an extrordinary level.

Its strange that we have continued this policy of signing 'superstar' backs, while almost totally neglecting the fact that its a TEAM... now look at us... absolutely no pack and a load of overpayed, underperfoming,aging, bang average SL players.

It's going to take Powell years to sort this mess out... if he gets the chance to last that long.

The conspiracy theorists in me thinks he may have purposely made it worse to make him look like his heroic turnaround is better.

What puzzles me at the Wire is we have business men running the club who have been in place for quite a few years. Now ,in my eyes, business men exist to make money & yet we are seeing a club the fortunes of which have dwindled steadily over the last 10 years. You would expect these people to be all over what is happening & why gate receipts are falling because the product they are peddling is not good enough.

Yes, that is why they have appointed the coach that pretty much everyone wanted. It's why they splashed the cash on two marquee half backs. They are desperate for success, I'm sure, and on many measures I'm sure the club is successful.