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| Quote ="just_browny"And if I may comment on your rationale, Mr 71, I would say that it's based on a completely false premise - that we're a good side.
We're not a good side.
Smith has shown us a snippet of what might be to come - exciting rugby, scrambling defence, last-minute drop goals/winning tries... we've all loved it.
But the fact remains that four, five months ago the team was a shambles. Our team consisted of 20-odd blokes fumbling at nothing having been prepared appallingly by Smith's predecessor.
Now, not even the greatest coach ever to have lived can forge a top side in that short a time, not from such a poor base.
Nathan Brown, at Huddersfield, has done a terrific job, but a lot of the groundwork had been done over a number of years - mostly by prolific whinger Jon Sharp, who was just unable to take them to that optimum level. But they were a settled side and their recruitment had been consistently good.
Smith has tweaked things here and there and tried to improve things, but it'll take him probably a year from when he took over to get things moving fully in the right direction. What he can do - and this is why he's a great coach - is produce good gameplans for individual games. You can't do this for every match - it's simply too complex a process - but you can earmark individual matches to produce a string of fine results. Smith has done this to get us past Hull KR and Wigan, both better teams than ours.
The fact remains, however, that Warrington fans seeing this team as anything like a finished product are living a delusion. The defensive frailties in the middle are clear to see, as are the lack of defined roles in the spine of the team - SO, SH, hooker, LF.
But we have won the one-offs so far, and we've got a decent chance of doing it one more time. But we can't attempt to do two things at once, as much as we'd love to - Saints have been a top side for 13 years but they still haven't quite found the ability to juggle both.. it'll be a long time before we can do that.. it's a case of walking before we run.'"
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| Quote ="just_browny"And if I may comment on your rationale, Mr 71, I would say that it's based on a completely false premise - that we're a good side.
We're not a good side.
Smith has shown us a snippet of what might be to come - exciting rugby, scrambling defence, last-minute drop goals/winning tries... we've all loved it.
But the fact remains that four, five months ago the team was a shambles. Our team consisted of 20-odd blokes fumbling at nothing having been prepared appallingly by Smith's predecessor.
Now, not even the greatest coach ever to have lived can forge a top side in that short a time, not from such a poor base.
Nathan Brown, at Huddersfield, has done a terrific job, but a lot of the groundwork had been done over a number of years - mostly by prolific whinger Jon Sharp, who was just unable to take them to that optimum level. But they were a settled side and their recruitment had been consistently good.
Smith has tweaked things here and there and tried to improve things, but it'll take him probably a year from when he took over to get things moving fully in the right direction. What he can do - and this is why he's a great coach - is produce good gameplans for individual games. You can't do this for every match - it's simply too complex a process - but you can earmark individual matches to produce a string of fine results. Smith has done this to get us past Hull KR and Wigan, both better teams than ours.
The fact remains, however, that Warrington fans seeing this team as anything like a finished product are living a delusion. The defensive frailties in the middle are clear to see, as are the lack of defined roles in the spine of the team - SO, SH, hooker, LF.
But we have won the one-offs so far, and we've got a decent chance of doing it one more time. But we can't attempt to do two things at once, as much as we'd love to - Saints have been a top side for 13 years but they still haven't quite found the ability to juggle both.. it'll be a long time before we can do that.. it's a case of walking before we run.'"
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We did play a very odd style on Friday night. Briers is famous for pinning the opposition back with long kicks turning the fullback and making them start from the try line. We did not do that once on Friday, opting for the bomb even from forty yards out. Wakey were the ones to deploy this tactic, Drew often kicking as early as the fourth tackle. As a result, we started nearly every set no further up the field than our twenty.
As posted above, we are a long way from the finished product, and, though I will be disappointed if we don't make the eight, a Wembley win will more than make up for it, so I can't blame the club for concentrating on that. After all, Hudds are doing the same thing - they just have the luxury of the early season points and so can afford to rest most of their starting 17.
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JB,
I kind of agree with you, we have the components for a good side, but as you quite rightly said, it is patently obvious we were underdone in pre-season. What Smith has done in his time here, relative to what was witnessed at the start of the season is a borderline miracle.
I'm still at a loss as to how Smith prepares the team on a week-to-week basis from such a weak starting point.
What the above does make you realise is what can be potentially achieved once Smith has his team and methods put into place.
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All I can say is 'thank God that's over.' The main thing is no serious injuries. Now the team can settle down and prepare for next week.
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| Quote ="Wires71"You are easily pleased JWP. We were pushing for 4/5th in the league 6 games ago. If you are happy with 1 win from 6 form going into the biggest game in 19 years you are deluded. It was abysmal today and the players clearly couldnt care less and turned it in. They do not deserve the support they get at times.'"
bit harsh. i saw what i expected. obviously there not going to put their bodies on the line with next week in mind, and there going to risk injuries as little as possible.
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I completely disagree there wasn't any effort on friday.
Personally I was expecting less effort and I genuinely thought we looked up for it in most areas.
Certain things didn't go for us on the night and wakefield had a good gameplan and stuck to it like glue.
On another night we would have won imho.
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