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| It'll be interesting to see how Eastmond reacts having just been knocked out of Britain's Got Talent.
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| Quote ="oli30045"Instead of all arguing about who is best, why don't we acknowledge that we have got 3 great prospects for the England team that could hopefully help us compete with the Aussies in the future?'"
Excellent comment. Unfortunatly too many people in this country are more interested in how many of their clubs players are picked rather than the best.
To answer the OP you offered us 2 scrum halves and 1 stand off so i would pick Eastmond and Tomkins as i feel Eastmond offers a little more at the moment. However think Maguire, Burrow and Pryce may have something to say about it. I also think, under Tony Smith Briers has matured into a far better player and ought to be in with a shout, age would be against hin though.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Don't forget: Longy left last season. That should give you a hint while you think.
You Pies are so funny. Here are the comparative stats from 2010 off the engage site:
Kyle's written first, Sam's second
Appearances: 15 Appearances: 15
Tries: 13 Tries: 4
Try assists: 6 Try assists: 11
Goals: 63 Goals: 3
Drop Goals: 2 Drop Goals: 0
Metres: 1482 Metres: 942
Carries: 236 Carries: 180
Tackles: 134 Tackles: 240
Offloads: 3 Offloads: 11
Attacking kicks: 74 Attacking kicks: 72
Runs from dh: 3 Runs from dh: 20
Tackle busts: 54 Tackle busts: 41
Marker tackles: 7 Marker tackles: 24
Clean breaks: 14 Clean breaks: 9
40/20: 0 40/20: 1
Kicks in gp: 130 Kicks in gp: 124
Missed goals: 18 Missed goals: 0
Missed tackles: 14 Missed tackles: 16
Errors: 15 Errors: 11
Penalties: 7 Penalties: 9
Red/yellow cards: 0 Red/yellow cards: 0
To me those stats just say that they play different games, which is what you'd expect given that they play different positions. Why you have to insist that one is better than the other I really don't know. It's so funny.'"
So what did I say which was wrong?
He has more assists. Fact.
You can't measure the kicking games by how many they have done, it doesn't judge the quality of the kicks.
Tomkins is clearly better in defence.
I don't quite know what you are getting at really.
And yes I know longy only just left but Eastmond has still been playing in the first team for quite a few years, he has also played in many big games.
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"eusa_clap.gif Excellent comment. Unfortunatly too many people in this country are more interested in how many of their clubs players are picked rather than the best.
To answer the OP you offered us 2 scrum halves and 1 stand off so i would pick Eastmond and Tomkins as i feel Eastmond offers a little more at the moment. However think Maguire, Burrow and Pryce may have something to say about it. I also think, under Tony Smith Briers has matured into a far better player and ought to be in with a shout, age would be against hin though.'"
Briers plays for Wales
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"When Tomkins improves his kicking game a little bit more he will be clearly the better of the 3. He has more of an all round game.
He has a great running game like Eastmond but is not quite as strong but he is better in broken play and also has a much better passing game. He is also a born leader and organiser.'"
WTF is going on in Wigan fans heads ?
You think Joel Tomkins is 'world class' and you believe Sam Tomkins is going to be better than Eastmond! Sams gone 100 yards backwards this season.
I'd currently have Danny Mc above Tomkins for the International.
As for Myler i just think his very unlucky he is around the same age as Eastmond because any other era and he'd be the starting 7. Like Saints or not Eastmond is definately special.
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| So let me get this straight...
Wigan fans think Tomkins is the best player...
Saints fans think Eastmond is the best player...
Warrington fans think Myler is the best player...
Interesting...
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"So what did I say which was wrong? ...
Tomkins is clearly better in defence.'"
Check the missed tackles; check the tackle busts. What you aren't seeing is the kind of games they play. Look at the carries; look at the yards made. Kyle plays more of an attacking game, he is a scrum half. To compare accurately you would need to compare between Leon Pryce and Sam Tomkins (and even then this season Leon's stats would be skewed as he has played full back on at least four occasions). Comparing stats, like you originally were doing, between a scrum half and a stand off is like comparing apples and pears. They have different roles and different styles of play. That's what I was getting at.
If I wanted to find out 'who was the best scrum half' (in stats anyway), I would need to compare Kyle with Richie Myler but I'm not going to do that (a) because it's really petty and (b) he's injured so the stats would be skewed. I think the most important thing is that we have some great young players coming through with real talent that, if coached properly at international level, will offer a real and genuine challenge to the other hemisphere. If only all clubs had taken care to nurture native centres and wingers as well we might actually have had a backline to worry the Aussies this season.
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux"So let me get this straight...
Wigan fans think Tomkins is the best player...
Saints fans think Eastmond is the best player...
Warrington fans think Myler is the best player...
Interesting...'"
and each set of fans get ridiculed for their opinion
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| Quote ="Masked Magician"WTF is going on in Wigan fans heads ?
You think Joel Tomkins is 'world class' and you believe Sam Tomkins is going to be better than Eastmond! Sams gone 100 yards backwards this season.
I'd currently have Danny Mc above Tomkins for the International.
As for Myler i just think his very unlucky he is around the same age as Eastmond because any other era and he'd be the starting 7. Like Saints or not Eastmond is definately special.'"
So Mlyer is unlucky, Eastmond is good but both Tomkins brothers are not???
No Joel isnt world class and just because a few people on here claim he is you should generalise all Wigan fans, Sam hasnt gone 100 yards back imo. We finally have 3 young and enthusiastic players in the halves without fear and yet rather than be happy too many fans get caught up on the my club v your club petty argument.
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| Im not bothered who plays in the halves.
Its the 3/4 line, where we are in the S***, name me two centres that could even come close to matching inglis, folau, hayne, willie tonga, matt cooper, micheal jennings the list goes on.
To be honest, atkins springs to mind, but he's a long way of international class, let alone close to any of the above players.
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"So Mlyer is unlucky, Eastmond is good but both Tomkins brothers are not???
No Joel isnt world class and just because a few people on here claim he is you should generalise all Wigan fans, Sam hasnt gone 100 yards back imo. We finally have 3 young and enthusiastic players in the halves without fear and yet rather than be happy too many fans get caught up on the my club v your club petty argument.'"
Where did i say the Tomkins brothers where not any good ?
I think Joel is abrilliant player and ismiles ahead of his brother. However i would not class him as world class in a million years. As for Sam he is not a poor player by all means but his gone backwards from last year imo. Danny Mc has been a better player this year and should get the 6 jersey for England.
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| there still isn't a British centre as good as Keith Senior unfortunately. Gleeson has shown he can do it at international level, Bridge & Atkins are usefull, Tony Clubb could be worth a shout after that we're stuck
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| Keith Senior has been poor this season. I'd have Bridge or Atkins over him.
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| Quote ="Piquonne"Keith Senior has been poor this season. I'd have Bridge or Atkins over him.'"
This fella is a poor poster.Same crap every post.
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| Quote ="Masked Magician"Where did i say the Tomkins brothers where not any good ?
I think Joel is abrilliant player and ismiles ahead of his brother. However i would not class him as world class in a million years. As for Sam he is not a poor player by all means but his gone backwards from last year imo. Danny Mc has been a better player this year and should get the 6 jersey for England.'"
IMO Danny Maguire has had his chance, and now its time for the younger guys, like Tomkins, Eastmond and Mlyer. Like ive said before all the older guys like Maguire have that one thing those 3 youngsters dont have, and thats fear of the opposition at International level.
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| Quote ="magic piano"there still isn't a British centre as good as Keith Senior unfortunately. Gleeson has shown he can do it at international level, Bridge & Atkins are usefull, Tony Clubb could be worth a shout after that we're stuck'"
they're useful.
but they havent a prayer against the 3/4 line for the aussies or the kiwis.
For the anzac test the 3/4 line for aussies and kiwis were :
Kiwis
Hohaia
Perrett
Sa'u
Matai
Nightingale
Aussies
Slater
Hayne
Inglis
Lyon
Morris
Bear in mind sia soliola was out injured aswell, so he would play in the kiwi national side, its just not looking good for us. I dont care whether eastmond,tomkins or myler plays. they're not going to be very effective with our present 3/4 line.
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| Quote ="Smalls"This fella is a poor poster.Same crap every post.'"
You've only just realised?
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| Quote ="mp 1965"You want to check the stats again mylers all round stats are nowhere near as good as tomkins or eastmonds JINT.'"
Read my previous post again and switch your brain on before replying.
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux"So let me get this straight...
Wigan fans think Tomkins is the best player...
Saints fans think Eastmond is the best player...
Warrington fans think Myler is the best player...
Interesting...'"
To be fair I think most reasonable Warrington fans think Eastmond is the better player of the 3, I also think most Warrington fans understand Richie Myler is also a scrum half, and it will be Eastmond keeping him out of the National side and not the Two bit, bottom lip quivering, one trick pony, niggling turd that is Sam Tomkins.....
Danny Mcguire is too much like Eastmond in Style of play for them to ever player together so that leaves Tomkins and Danny Brough fighting for the number 6 jersey........ personally i'd give to a tramp mickey'd up on White lightning.... but I'd suspect his kicking game may be a bit off.......
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| Quote ="Piquonne"Tomkins is a little thug he's a one trick pony gimmie myler and Westmond anyday'"
surely this guy should be getting banned by now? i cant recall one sensible comment he has made
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| Banned for an opinion? Last time I checked that wasn't breaking the AUP.
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| Quote ="Piquonne"Banned for an opinion? Last time I checked that wasn't breaking the AUP.'"
Your an idiot. I dislike Warrington and Saints because they are our rivals, but im sensible enough to know that they have some very good players which in some cases are better than those of Wigans.
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| Quote ="Piquonne"Banned for an opinion? Last time I checked that wasn't breaking the AUP.'"
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| Piquonne you have said in 2 post mylers try assist is better so thats were I judge you.Now go and read your post and less of the childish insults.
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