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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Which means that Myler will be going on loan to HKR in 2016?'"
If he goes to HKR in 2016 he will not need to go on loan - his contract expires in 2015.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"If he goes to HKR in 2016 he will not need to go on loan - his contract expires in 2015.'"
So, in the current situation, he can only be displaced this season.
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| Your original post asked " who will displace Myler". Not 'this year' or 'in the current climate'. If Patton continues to develop whilst Myler fails to fulfil his potential, then I think he could be our SH. He doesn't have the powerful running of Myler, but he does have all aspects of the kicking game. It is almost certain Patton will play in the pre-season friendlies and should make his debut in the first team. However as I said, I think he will play most of 2015 away from the HJ.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"So, in the current situation, he can only be displaced this season.'"
lets hope so
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"Your original post asked " who will displace Myler". Not 'this year' or 'in the current climate'. If Patton continues to develop whilst Myler fails to fulfil his potential, then I think he could be our SH. He doesn't have the powerful running of Myler, but he does have all aspects of the kicking game. It is almost certain Patton will play in the pre-season friendlies and should make his debut in the first team. However as I said, I think he will play most of 2015 away from the HJ.'"
If Myler isn't here next season, as his current contract situation implies; how can he be displaced?
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| If Smith doesn't think Myler is up to it after this coming seasons performance, he will not renew his contract, and he will be displaced by someone else in the squad or an outside signing. Carvel was in the same situation last year, his contract was not renewed and he was displaced by (god forbid) Roy Asotasi.
What is the issue ?
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"If Smith doesn't think Myler is up to it after this coming seasons performance, he will not renew his contract, and he will be displaced by someone else in the squad or an outside signing. Carvel was in the same situation last year, his contract was not renewed and he was displaced by (god forbid) Roy Asotasi.
What is the issue ?'"
He won't be displaced, he will be replaced.
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There is no issue. For Myler to want regular first team rugby, which will be easier to obtain at HKR (according to Budgie Smuggler or whatever their name is) implies that someone is in Myler's way. Who is that person, that is displacing last season's first choice scrum half?
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| I think O'Brien and Bridge could be a good combo, Bridge played well their last year and he'd have more of an organiser in O'Brien than playing with Ratch.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"What a load of rubbish. The rumour has re-surfaced because you've just done it. With 13 new players and an untested coach, no-one in their right mind would want to go to HKR. They've signed 2 new halfbacks alreay. 15 pages of absolute drivel that hasn't got anywhere.'"
It would seem 13 players have decided they wanted to go to HKR
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| Quote ="Aldy"It would seem 13 players have decided they wanted to go to HKR'"
Which is exactly why I said that. Just to clarify, 13 new signings and an untested coach is far too much change, no-one with any real ambition would want to go to HKR at the moment.
The 2 Hull Clubs seem to do the same thing every year, clear the decks, followed by another load of new signings. Myler would be daft to go there.
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| Not saying its happening but if he's slipped down the pecking order at wire it's not daft to go somewhere on loan to see out his last year and be pretty much guaranteed to play every week before becoming a free agent and having a choice of where he ends up.
It would show a spectacular lack of ambition to sit up in the stands most weeks and just bank his pay.
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| Quote ="sandy"Not saying its happening but if he's slipped down the pecking order at wire it's not daft to go somewhere on loan to see out his last year and be pretty much guaranteed to play every week before becoming a free agent and having a choice of where he ends up.
It would show a spectacular lack of ambition to sit up in the stands most weeks and just bank his pay.'"
Who is in front of him in the pecking order?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Who is in front of him in the pecking order?'"
Foghorn Leghorn and Rocky from Chicken Run.
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| Quote ="sandy"Not saying its happening but if he's slipped down the pecking order at wire it's not daft to go somewhere on loan to see out his last year and be pretty much guaranteed to play every week before becoming a free agent and having a choice of where he ends up.
It would show a spectacular lack of ambition to sit up in the stands most weeks and just bank his pay.'"
Who says that he's slipped down the pecking order? He finished the season in the side and as far as I know no-one else was injured. people are also very good at ignoring the fact that he had two serious injuries last season.
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| I did say IF he has slipped down the pecking order, I think most people see obriens contract extension and the signing of wheeler, supposedly a natural 6 (though no ones seen him on a pitch long enough to tell) puts pressure on mylers place.
Personally I don't think there's anything in it but the poster who says he would be daft to leave wire to play regular rugby is assuming smith is going to pick him every week, which may or may not be the case, no player worth their salt though wants to be on a trophy winning squad if they re not playing, these are professional players not fans
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| We could well see Myler flourish this season off the back of Clark's running.
if Clark makes plenty of breaks, there is a good chance Myler will score lots of tries.
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| As fantastic as that may be. Unless O'Brien really steps up, we'll still be looking flat and lost attacking wise. The backs really do need to be standing a lot deeper with a halfback organising the plays. O'Brien is our best chance, Myler just isn't that sort of player. He's being made to play in a certain way and that's just not him. Clark makes good yards and plays hooker in a similar fashion to Higham, but we can't have a hooker scooting and giving a little tip on to a halfback, fullback or loose as our only attacking option. I think defensively we are solid and have been for some time. We just need players to be slightly more organised and hittingthe right lines.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"We could well see Myler flourish this season off the back of Clark's running.
if Clark makes plenty of breaks, there is a good chance Myler will score lots of tries.'"
At last, someone sees the obvious.
Not to have Myler in the side, while Clark has been bought, would be suicide.
I can see us getting back to our 2011 "scoring tries for fun" brand of rugby.
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| Clark, Ratchford and Myler together in broken play.. *drools*
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"We could well see Myler flourish this season off the back of Clark's running.
if Clark makes plenty of breaks, there is a good chance Myler will score lots of tries.'"
100% this.
For me its what Mylers game as always been about,its why he looked good along side Briers and hopefully can feed off Clark
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| I find myself shaking my head at the thought of backlines being told to stand deeper, the dated idea of a deep backline has long gone, and rightly so, in favour of multiple pass selection structures.
Where we faulted last season was with a limited number of options, the second man 'Hodgson' play was of nil reward, whereas seasons prior, 2011 especially, I'd bet 25% of our tries came from one of those plays.
Warrington simply need to find a way of finding the edges effectively, either Russell improving in this area, using Ratchford at FB or potentially using a more pivotal loose forward, Grix or Ratchford.
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| I too thought those deep lying runs from Mark Roberts were cr*p.
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| Quote ="BrianBradyHandOff"I too thought those deep lying runs from Mark Roberts were cr*p.'"
I thought Mark Roberts was at his sensational best when running into a gap from a short ball off Andy Gregory's shoulder. These passes tended to be pretty flat from recollection.
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| *Multi pass selection structures ????*....No wonder I've lost interest.
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