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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Regarding the salary cap. Four teams have won SL since its inception. 1 went spectacularly bust which tells its own story and between the other three the salary cap has been cheated 4 times...or is it 5? They will have to remind me. The absolute nerve to have a pop and suggest we're trying to buy a title. Every team would be pleased with this signing and theyre lying if they say otherwise.'"
I would have been pleased if Saints signed Inglis, borderline delighted, which for me is a big thing. But you are trying to buy the title. I don't think there's any shame in that? Other clubs are either trying to slash the cap to have an excuse to save money or are in a holding position to see what's left when the sport returns, you've got the cheque book out trying to gain a competitive advantage. It's ambition and a commitment to be the best they can be, there's nothing wrong with that.
The notion of Wire trying to buy the title will always be there because of your record at bringing academy players through. You do need to improve in that area, but I'm sure you realise that. There seems to be as much focus and investment in the youth development now, particularly after the Rylands team all signed elsewhere last year. Everything seemed to get ramped up last year and you definitely highlighted the right players from the next age group.
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| "Buying the title"...what does that even mean? Do Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea care if they are accused of buying the title? If you have the resources to improve your team by recruiting talent then good for you. Wigan did it for an entire decade and beyond. So any fan from another club that comes on here bleating "buying the title" just looks small time and bitter. This IS ONLY a good story for Rugby League in the Northern Hemisphere. To have one of the greatest players come and resurrect his career after issues with mental health is nothing but POSITIVE. yes its a gamble...but thats Warrington's decision. Jealous fans also moan about "bringing on the youth".... how inspiring for the youth of Warrington to see a global super star...our young players will have not only a brilliant role model, a winner, but also an amazing teacher in G.I. They must be as excited as all the fans. Can't wait to see him play.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"
I think the reality is that all clubs in Super League are working outside of the cap. The RFL and their auditors don't really care. I always cite standing waiting for a football match to start in Winwick and seeing some very expensive and elaborate stone being delivered to Jon Wilkin's house. We joked at the time that we should check who paid for the goods. Super League clubs owners all have interests in multiple ventures, are SL really checking everything? No chance. Overseas player signs for a SL club for £120k a year. Gets paid £200k into an offshore account for 'consultancy work' 12 months after completing his contract when in the NRL/retired. Who finds that? So many ways around the cap, I'm sure a few will come out when players release auto-biographies or get broke and sell the story in the future.'"
I think you would be suprised at the level of audit rights the RFL has in terms of salary cap. There have been plenty of retiring major stars who have published biographies in the last ten years, I don't recall any startling cap revelations being reported.
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| The thing with this "you just bought the title" is, when a team actually wins the title their fans don't care if other people say that. Saints didn't produce Sculthorpe, Long and Newlove out of their own Academy did they.
If Wire did win the title, our fans would enjoy the moaning of Saints and Wigan fans just like City fans laugh at United.
The elephant in the room for me though is....I don't see Warrington's squad, even with Inglis and Widdop, as this all-time-great-how-do-they-get-it-under-the-cap roster that some are making out. Go and look through the squad again and ask yourself how many are genuine elite players. I count one, Daryl Clark. Four players who were in that category a few years ago but probably not in 2021: Hill, Currie, Inglis, Widdop. Then there's a handful of players in the next tier down, good but not great: Ratchford, Charnley, Lineham, Austin, Cooper. There are question marks over the coach too - is he a title-winning coach?
A team that is going to win SL needs a core of at least 3 probably 4 or 5 elite players with a supporting cast of very good players. If they have an unusually good coaching set up, they might be able to win with less (Wigan under Wane), if they have a questionable coach they need more (Saints under Millward).
Between 2010 and 2013 we had a better squad than we will have in 2021 and were good enough to win the title but unfortunately at that time there were other good teams (Leeds and Wigan) and they stopped us. The Wire squad from 2010 and 2013 if it were around in 2021 would be head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the league including Wire in 2021.
Yes I am pleased that we have signed Greg Inglis and this is the kind of ambition we should be showing. But to put in context, I was more excited from an on the field perspective when we signed Brett Hodgson who was a similar age and probably a better player at that stage. Off the field, obviously Inglis brings a status of one of the all time greats that Hodgson didn't have.
Does Inglis make us a "complete" squad ready to win the title? No...the pack isn't good enough and still too many question marks for me. But it may be more fun to watch.
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| Sts and Wire make the first moves for 2021, which is to be applauded, strange that others are poo pooing the moves (well the Wire move). Very positive news for a sport that has been struggling with two Chairmen who are standing out in the mud and other Chairmen wanting Salary Cap reductions introduced in a hope that they can prevent certain signings happen.
I am sure Sts fans will want another strong tilt at Old Trafford and the Wire fans will love the "its always your year" chants and the chances to see off teams when there is no hope. Another trip to OT with who knows maybe a win in 2021.
Roll on 2021
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| Quote ="Shabino"I think this signing finally proves to me that the whole Warrington franchise is absolutely delusional. How anybody thinks this will enhance your squad is beyond be.
5-6 years ago the great Greg Imglis was the best RL player the sport had ever seen imho, but as I said 5-6 years ago, pre injury, way pre retirement....'" 1 year is no risk to us fella, just hilarious that we’ve stuck to fingers up to uncle Gary and his merry men wanting to lower the cap... at least you’ve got 3 decent stands though eh?
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| The notion of Wire trying to buy the title will always be there because of your record at bringing academy players through. You do need to improve in that area, but I'm sure you realise that.
I agree.....Those promising youngsters Iestyn Harris and Paul Sculthorpe were abject failures.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"The thing with this "you just bought the title" is, when a team actually wins the title their fans don't care if other people say that. Saints didn't produce Sculthorpe, Long and Newlove out of their own Academy did they.
If Wire did win the title, our fans would enjoy the moaning of Saints and Wigan fans just like City fans laugh at United.
The elephant in the room for me though is....I don't see Warrington's squad, even with Inglis and Widdop, as this all-time-great-how-do-they-get-it-under-the-cap roster that some are making out. Go and look through the squad again and ask yourself how many are genuine elite players. I count one, Daryl Clark. Four players who were in that category a few years ago but probably not in 2021: Hill, Currie, Inglis, Widdop. Then there's a handful of players in the next tier down, good but not great: Ratchford, Charnley, Lineham, Austin, Cooper. There are question marks over the coach too - is he a title-winning coach?
A team that is going to win SL needs a core of at least 3 probably 4 or 5 elite players with a supporting cast of very good players. If they have an unusually good coaching set up, they might be able to win with less (Wigan under Wane), if they have a questionable coach they need more (Saints under Millward).
Between 2010 and 2013 we had a better squad than we will have in 2021 and were good enough to win the title but unfortunately at that time there were other good teams (Leeds and Wigan) and they stopped us. The Wire squad from 2010 and 2013 if it were around in 2021 would be head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the league including Wire in 2021.
Yes I am pleased that we have signed Greg Inglis and this is the kind of ambition we should be showing. But to put in context, I was more excited from an on the field perspective when we signed Brett Hodgson who was a similar age and probably a better player at that stage. Off the field, obviously Inglis brings a status of one of the all time greats that Hodgson didn't have.
Does Inglis make us a "complete" squad ready to win the title? No...the pack isn't good enough and still too many question marks for me. But it may be more fun to watch.'"
Spot on Sal
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| Quote ="Saddened!" There are a couple of really highly rated youngsters coming through again.'"
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| Call me an optimist or whatever, but I really cannot imagine there is any real doubt about Inglis's commitment or the impact he'll make at Wire.
Real top class performers are their own biggest critics. It's what drives them on, so they will be totally professional and deliver.
I've no concerns about the 'injuries'. He wouldn't have committed to next year if he thought they would significantly affect his performance - he'll manage them appropriately I'm sure.
Simply can't wait.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Are they as highly rated as Richardson was?'"
You know, Richardson started really well at Cas, he was on course for young player of the year in Super League. He's a decent prospect still, watch out for him.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You know, Richardson started really well at Cas, he was on course for young player of the year in Super League. He's a decent prospect still, watch out for him.'"
If true it would leave a substantial stain on your last coach’s reputation.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I would have been pleased if Saints signed Inglis, borderline delighted, which for me is a big thing. But you are trying to buy the title. I don't think there's any shame in that? Other clubs are either trying to slash the cap to have an excuse to save money or are in a holding position to see what's left when the sport returns, you've got the cheque book out trying to gain a competitive advantage. It's ambition and a commitment to be the best they can be, there's nothing wrong with that.
The notion of Wire trying to buy the title will always be there because of your record at bringing academy players through. You do need to improve in that area, but I'm sure you realise that. There seems to be as much focus and investment in the youth development now, particularly after the Rylands team all signed elsewhere last year. Everything seemed to get ramped up last year and you definitely highlighted the right players from the next age group.'"
Buying a title...are we talking about the record breaking signature of Scully plus others in a cap breaching SL cup winning team..ohhh you mean Wire’s!!! Doh sorry, what was that about trying to buy a title?
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| Will he even get a Visa. Wasn't he one of the many NRl players with a history of domestic violence?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Half of those players are academy graduates playing for the love of the town, the shirt and their people.'"
I count 4 from 13 academy graduates from that list. Warrington have more now and they're the most accused of not promoting their own academy players.
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| Quote ="Shabino"Will he even get a Visa. Wasn't he one of the many NRl players with a history of domestic violence?'"
He got it Monday. That’s why it was announced Tuesday.
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| Quote ="Shabino"Will he even get a Visa. Wasn't he one of the many NRl players with a history of domestic violence?'"
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| Quote ="Paul2812"2/10 Must try harder.'"
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"The same Jason Clark who Greg Inglis phoned first in sounding out playing for the Wire because they are good friends.....
Yeah that would be a proper thank you For Clark....
Plus given Inglis's mental issues it would make absolute sense for Inglis to have a close friend in the squad.....
I would be astonished if we off loaded Clark now....'"
That's what I thought when I read the article in The Guardian. I strongly suspect that Gelling will be given his marching orders - if anyone can find him.
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| Quote ="fez1"Call me an optimist or whatever, but I really cannot imagine there is any real doubt about Inglis's commitment or the impact he'll make at Wire.
Real top class performers are their own biggest critics. It's what drives them on, so they will be totally professional and deliver.
I've no concerns about the 'injuries'. He wouldn't have committed to next year if he thought they would significantly affect his performance - he'll manage them appropriately I'm sure.
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He's only committed to a one year deal and both parties here will know there's a risk.
He had a lot of injury problems in his last couple of years and he's played the game for a long time and taken a lot of hits because of his playing style.
He's also been through a difficult patch with his mental health - you never know how coming to a new country and unfamiliar environment will work out.
I think we should factor in some risks from the start. He might come over with the best of intentions but his body breaks down or he might find that the move isn't good for him and his state of mind and we may need to let him go before the season is up. Or he might resurrect his career, be a superstar and NRL clubs will want to sign him for 2022.
I am seeing this as a bonus that we didn't expect, I'm not expecting more than a year and I wouldn't hold it against him if it doesn't work out. Whether or not we win a trophy, I hope he is free from injury and able to show what he can do on the field and enjoy his year with us, have a good relationship with the fans and go back feeling like this was a happy time in his life when he felt good about himself and his rugby, and be a lifelong Wire fan.
The one risk that I don't think he brings is of being a player who will draw a salary while being a passenger in the team - if his body or mind aren't right he's more likely to quit. He walked away from a huge contract in Souths when he retired. Some players have that level of personal pride that they won't turn out if they can't live up to their standards hence you get surprise early retirements, like Cantona at United or Allan Langer when he quit Brisbane mid season then reconsidered and came back to sign for us. Inglis is hopefully in the same position that Langer was.
As an aside, one of the most intriguing Wire rumours I heard, which was never confirmed but I got it from a well connected source, was that back in the Cullen era when we had that off season when Nat Wood was supposed to be signing for Wigan, we were trying to get Brad Fittler to reconsider his retirement and join Wire. In the end, Fittler said he didn't think he would be the player he used to be and didn't want to accept a big contract if he couldn't live up to it.
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| Quote ="St Helens Wolf"That's what I thought when I read the article in The Guardian. I strongly suspect that Gelling will be given his marching orders - if anyone can find him.'"
He is still in NZ
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| Worth a listen this.. GI’s interview with Channel 9 news in Oz
[urlhttps://twitter.com/9newssyd/status/1263028164525264898?s=21[/url
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Someone seems upset.'"
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| Quote ="NSW"Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Someone seems upset.'"
Usually happy in October, unlike you lot.'" I’m always happy.
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| some terrible envy in this thread.
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