i have to echo the thoughts of others, myler being out will give ratchford a chance in the side and i feel he may become quite an asset alongside briers.

Feel sorry for Myler,but most peoples opinion of him seems to be he is nothing more than a support player rather than a creative one!!Gives a chance for 1 or 2 others to step into the fold,Perhaps a nice Headache to have.

Any news on how long he is going to be out for? Dislocated elbow is very painful. I did it when I was 25 and the docs said its very uncommon for adults to sustain that injury because that joint is so tight. I was in a sling for the good part of a year and its still not right. Obviously Myler will get better treatment than me though.

Shenton suffered it in the Grand Final last year anyone know whether hes fit for the start of the season?

www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/de ... nes-injury Andy Wilson in the Guardian seems to think it will be a lengthy layoff, but nothing confirmed yet beyond the fact that he will miss the start of the season.

www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/de ... nes-injury Andy Wilson in the Guardian seems to think it will be a lengthy layoff, but nothing confirmed yet beyond the fact that he will miss the start of the season.

Use to be more Fingers And Shoulders getting pushed out of joint,now it seems the Elbow is getting some stick in the tackle!
I think it was a Disslocated Elbow on Sean Long that put paid to his playing days at Hull!!It seems to be the most Painfull of all Disslocations though.

Ratchford in for Myler... Ratchford will be awesome and Myler will find it hard to get back in the team..

If it does end up Ratchford coming into the halves for Myler then we will find out if what the Salford fans told us was true, that we had signed the wrong one because Ratchford was ten times the player...

As for Myler being out who cares about the early part of the season anyway as we all know all you have to do to win Super League is win 4 games at the end of the year so Myler can sit it out and do rehab till then if needs be.

I don't think some people respect how good Myler really is. He will be missed and I'm hoping that Ratchford is more than an adequate replacement in the meantime. Backline will now mean Riley to fullback to cover for Hodgson, Williams in on the wing, Bridge, Atkins, Monas as you were. Sir Lee at 6, Ratch at 7. Evans and Blythe are there in case of injuries, they'll get their shot in time.

The Rhinos have won this GF 4 times in the past 5 seasons the lucky so and so's

Not luck they are very good at knockout rugby pee poor at wining the league !
Do people want 27 games of success or 4 ?

Are they pee poor at winning the league? They won the league in 2004 and 2009 and won the Grand Final in both years.
Pee poor at winning the league is us we've done it once since 1973...

In these 5 years where Leeds have won 4 Grand Finals who do you reckon has been a better league side, Leeds or us? As its the league that counts not stuff like the knockout cups, who is a better league side?

Last season yes they were nothing more than average for 27 games ! The past is the past ! I was talking about the person off sporting life who said they were team of the year after playing 4 good games n there players were all of a sudden top class internationals like Bailey and JJB who are poor IMO they have two world class players in Hall and Sinfield as long as he plays Lose Fwd !

Sorry but i disagree with you calling JJB mickey poor, he's been one of the most improved players in SL over the last few years. I also used to think that he was a fairly run of the mill SL player but my opinion of him has changed over the last few seasons, he's a strong runner that makes very good yards, he's also got very good footwork and good hands for a backrow forward.

He also performed well in the 4 nations and gave us some good impact and yardage from the bench.

I'd quite like 31 games of success tbh



As many have said, it would have to be Ratchford at the start of the season, but O'Brien looked like a terrific prospect when I saw him last year. For me, he seemed to offer far more creativity than Myler. Hopefully a Ratchford/O'Brien half-back partnership can be our long term solution.

Shenton has been back in full training so should be ok for the start of the season. I guess it's one of those injuries that causes a weakness in the joint and can plague a player. I know Cunningham suffered and I think eventually had to have an op to sort it out. Hopefully Mylar can make a quick and full recovery, and like people are saying, although there's never a good time for an injury, better now than the business end of the season, or mid way through a GF grrrrrrr

oh dear!

What did you think of the Les Boyd team that won the Premiership under Tony Barrow in 1986? I bet you regard that team as Warrington legends with Boyd, Andy and Mike Gregory, Brian Johnson, Phil Blake and co in it. But that team was nothing more than average most of that season! They were 8th at Christmas and Reggie Bowden quit as coach in March, then they put a good run of results together in the last month of the season to come 4th and won a handful of playoff games and Wire fans go on about that team like it was a team of legends. Halifax were the true champions that year and they beat us home and away in the league we just got lucky in a one off game at the end of the season.

I think he's just talking about last season, specifically. Warrington were, in almost every measure, the best team last season and then if it wasn't warrington, it certainly wasn't leeds that were the best team. The fact that just cause leeds won the last match of the season (even though they were pretty poor for the previous 30odd) they are the best team is stupid; to say the least.

Even if I were to take off my totally biased P&B glasses I would still say Warrington were the very best team in SL last year. Of that there is no doubt.

Padders argument is that Leeds were "pee poor" which they obviously weren't. I think some Wire fans have got a warped view of Leeds last season, they didn't just turn up randomly at Old Trafford and win one game and win the title, they won 9 out of their last 10 games and made the Challenge Cup final. Looking back there were signs in the weeks before the playoffs that Leeds were getting it together when they were starting to put hidings on teams like we had done all season, then in the playoffs they had to win four knock out games including away games at Huddersfield and Warrington and then beat Saints at Old Trafford, that was a good achievement and deserves respect, the Wire fans like Padders that can't let it go and have to go on about how "pee poor" look like right sad acts.

If we want to talk about being pee poor what about Warrington in 2009, we might have had a parade through the town centre for winning at Wembley but we really were pee poor that year, never mind finishing 5th like Leeds did, we were 10th that year which is where we finished under Anderson and Plange in 2002. After that season we had some fans from other clubs complaining that we were crap and had just had one lucky drop goal win at Hull KR then Hudds didn't turn up at Wembley and we had a trophy in the bag. They had to live with the injustice of watching a crap Warrington team celebrating a trophy success so we will have to live with the injustice of seeing a reasonable Leeds team celebrating a trophy success.

In the end the honours list doesn't lie, we won the League Leaders Shield, they won the Grand Final at Old Trafford. That sums up our two seasons, we were the top team over a league season and they won the overall competition that involves playoffs.

I agree, Myler will be missed , looked great towards the back end of last season. However i'd rather see O'Brien step in than Ratchford

Listen Sally the oracle !
Others are allowed an opinion on here the last time I looked and from my point of view Leeds did not deserve to be called team of the year they were pee poor for the majority of the season when they beat us it was more by a dip in performance by us than an exceptional performance by them IMO !
Sorry but if u don't agree with it but you'll have to live with it sulky cinnamon that's my opinion :0)

Sally is right - Leeds weren't winners by accident and deserved the title of champions. It's worth remembering that they got to the Cup final too and could have won with a different performance from the officials. No mean feat in one season, especially one with a new coach.

(Many Leeds fans aren't in too much of a position to crow, amusingly, as they wanted McDermott sacked early on).

Were we the best team over the calendar year? Yes, I'd say we probably were. But we have a lesson to learn about when the trophies are handed out, and we still haven't learned it. Leeds most certainly have from a number of years at the very top of the game.

I still think a lot of people are overthinking this. Any team can lose a game to another good side it doesn't mean we did something wrong in the preparation.

What lesson do we need to learn? Was Tony Smith to blame for not preparing us properly to win that game? What would have happened had Myler not been offside and given away that late penalty that Sinfield kicked? It could have been very different and we could easily have won SL last year and nobody would have said anything about us preparing wrongly.

I think if people were expecting us to smash Leeds by 60 odd points they were kidding themselves, it was always going to be a tough game. Look at the Challenge Cup final, Wigan were in a tough game against Leeds and they edged home.

In 2010 we blew the playoffs admittedly, but that year we had won the Challenge Cup. Wigan last year won the Challenge Cup and they blew it in the playoffs - does it mean that Wigan need to learn lessons about when the trophies are handed out....no.

History has shown that teams find it hard to back up a Wembley run in with a strong end of season run in, only twice has it been done since the cup final moved to August, once by Saints in 2006 when they were head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the league, and last year when Leeds didn't win the cup final but they had to play all those games and they finished the season much stronger than Wigan did.

I think we will be strong contenders for the Challenge Cup again this year and actually I can see a situation developing this year when we win the Challenge Cup and then tail off a bit, finish 2nd or 3rd and get knocked out of the playoffs. Would this be regarded as a successful season? Yes for me.

I agree with some of the things that Sally has said.

At the end of the day every club knows the format of SL before the season starts, you have a league which is mainly used for gaining the best possible finishing position to get you an easier path in the play-offs.

You then have the grand final play-offs which is viewed as the pinnacle of our sport, the team that wins that is known as the SL champions, again we all know this before the season starts.

In football Man United have become experts at peaking at the right time, they are a lot stronger over the xmas period than they are in the early part of the season, they are also very strong from xmas onwards towards the back end of the season. In football you obviously don't have play-offs but it just shows how important it is to peak at the right time of the year, have Man City peaked too early as they have mirror imaged what we did in the early parts of the year ????

Man City had a 5 point lead over United and have played some breathtaking football this year and blew quite a few teams away, ring any bells ? They also had virtually twice the goal difference of United, now both teams are level on points and the goal difference is well within United's grasp.

Leeds Rhinos and Man United are very similar in what they have both achieved in their own sports, they both have one thing in common that both Man City and Warrington don't have just yet, thats experience in knowing how to win the biggest prize of all and knowing when and how to peak at the right time.

I aint saying that City won't win the premiership title, they may well win it but United have valuable experience on their side of which both Mancini and City don't have at the min.

Experience cost us against Leeds last year, we panicked and didn't know how to put the game to bed. Experience makes you wiser, i'd like to think that in a similar situation again we we'd know what to do.