police were all over the stadium in force earlier . hope all our merchandise hasn`t been robbed

If you mean the vans parked up it's for the scummers who are protesting up the road over the fracking!

Mind you they have the worlds worst DJ working at the stadium so maybe he's been arrested for crimes against humanity.

oh yeah i forgot them , looked that there would be 2 police for every protestor

Let's hope one is holding a protestor down and the other is using the baton.

They've been there for nearly a month now on and off, must be costing a fortune to keep them there, though the guy with the butty van is quids in during the week.

If you knew the consistencies of fracking you wouldn't be coming out with such nonsense.

MR - Wow! That's low. Shocking comments.

There's a lot of people who think they know a lot about fracking, but actually don't know much.

I've heard all about the 'terrible problems' it can cause, so actually went out to educate myself on the subject. Turns out that the science on the subject doesn't support the wild claims that float around the media. I'm more inclined to put my trust in science than the over-excited ramblings of professional protesters.

And given that the licence granted is only for exploratory drilling into and below the old coal measures and doesn't include any permissions for fracking it all seems a bit futile and puerile to me.

I have a friend who's recently moved to USA with his future wife and what he's told me about the problems over there with fracking I can't see how people are so calm about the subject, I mean being able to ignite your tap water and the pumping of uranium into the ground and as a result poisens the water table and surrounding land for upto 10 square mile isn't something to take lightly.

Deleted my previous post as on second thought's I dont think it's the Right Thread for such a Non Rugby subject. Even though he's a Former Reds player

Bloody ell your joking!

How do you do that then?

Falsehood 1: You can light your tap water on fire. Fox made this claim famous in the first Gasland movie when he showed a resident of Colorado striking a match as water came out of his tap; the natural gas dissolved in the water burst into flame. Yet the water was tested by the Colorado Department of Natural Resources, which reported to the resident: "There are no indications of any oil & gas related impacts to your well water." The agency concluded that the natural gas in his water supply was derived from natural sources—the water well penetrated several coal beds that had released the methane into the well.

The FWW letter warns, "When fracking loosens gas, it can cause methane to migrate into nearby household wells and drinking water." It adds, "Your home could explode, like the house that blew up in Pennsylvania and killed three people." This appears to be a reference to the 2004 case of Charles and Dorothy Harper and their grandson Baelee, in which natural gas migrated into their basement from some new nearby wells being drilled by the Snyder Brothers production company.

This artfully constructed section of the letter wants readers to conclude that fracking caused the deaths of the Harpers. Yet the wells in question were conventional gas wells; no fracking was taking place. The Harpers were killed by negligence: The company had not made sure that the casings on the wells were properly sealed with cement. (Cement is poured down around the well's steel piping to prevent gas or fluids from traveling upward and coming in contact with exposed rock along the borehole, where it can leach into drinking water aquifers.) Fracking technology had nothing to do with the tragedy, for which the Snyder Brothers made court-ordered restitution to the Harper family.

Another house exploded—fortunately without significant injury—when natural gas seeped in from a well in Ohio in 2007. In this case, the Ohio Valley Energy Systems Corporation was fracking an old conventional well whose cement casing was inadequate to block new supplies of highly pressurized natural gas from migrating into nearby water wells. Once the company fixed the casing, the problem was solved.

As A. Scott Anderson, a senior policy adviser with the Environmental Defense Fund, told The Wall Street Journal last year, "The groundwater pollution incidents that have come to light to date have all been caused by well construction problems." As the number of wells increase, so too will the chances that some will not be properly cemented, but that's not a problem inherent to fracking. Meanwhile, it is worth noting that the vast majority of natural gas explosions do not involve wells at all.

Falsehood 2: Fracking fluid "could seep into groundwater and poison drinking water."
A new study by researchers at Duke University, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in June, did find higher concentrations of methane in water wells that were within a kilometer of gas wells. But like earlier reports, the new paper concluded that the two simplest explanations for the higher levels of dissolved gas were faulty steel casings and improper cement sealing of the wells, not fracking. In addition, this study and two earlier ones done by the same team found no indication that well water has been contaminated by fracking fluids. (About 99.5 percent of fracking fluids, I should add, consist of water and sand.)

the graham holroyd story is on the leeds board

[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/10532769/Fracking-protests-head-north-as-activists-mass-on-proposed-Manchester-shale-gas-exploration-sites.htmlTelegraph-veteran protesters who live hundreds of miles away[/url

Rugby Forum -?

Reminder, we get our Water from the Lake district , not artisan well's , or Barton Moss.

the Chemical industry have been using ' Fracking techniques ' to extract Salt in the form of Brine from Cheshire for years.

anyway, shall we get back to the Rugby ...

But this is an interesting diversion and I'm still waiting for Mike87 to explain how Uranium is pumped back under the ground

To be fair, MM. This thread has nothing to do with Rugby, apart from someone throwing Holroyd in. Even that isn't about Rugby.

Fracking involves toxic chemicals being lowered into kilometer-deep holes drilled in the ground to isolate gas and oil from shale. The toxic chemicals can then float into lakes and rivers or contaminate the ground. Also, fracking produces a disproportionate amount of waste, including radioactive water, which then has to be dumped somewhere.

The key to fracking
Uranium is the key element to fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, to use its proper name. In the real-world version of Phineas Fogg’s “Eighty Days Around the World,” burning the ship’s masts and furniture to make steam, governments are now encouraging the oil and gas merchants to blast their way deep into the Earth to squeeze the last ounce of oil and gas from that poor creature. But there will be a terrible revenge. Locked up in the strata into which they pump the pressurized process water, to fracture and thus create the huge surface area sponge which will yield up its cargo of gas and oil, is a monstrous amount of natural uranium and its deadly daughter Radium-226. And vast amounts of the radioactive alpha emitting gas Radon-222, and its own daughters Bismuth 214, Lead-210 and the alpha emitter Polonium-210. Remember Polonium-210? That was the material used when a few millionths of a gram poisoned ex-Russian agent Alexander Litvinenko.

Amazing what you can find with google then cut & paste isn't it?

The problem with the internet of course is that nobody edits it so any old cobblers can be posted.

The author of the claptrap you've posted (here's the link [urlhttp://rt.com/op-edge/fracking-radioactive-uranium-danger-ecology-057/[/url) is Christopher Busby who is to say the least controversial, some might say crackpot - indeed even the green movement are embarrassed by the ludicrous nature of many of his claims [urlhttp://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2011/nov/22/christopher-busby-nuclear-green-party[/url

To summarise - don't believe everything you read!

The Fracking debate is on the same lines as the anti-vaccination brigade. Lots and lots of misinformation, ignorance, and people who don't really know what they're talking about.

Never knew Katie Hopkins posted on here, you should be ashamed of yourself.

I was fairly neutral on the fracking debate, however seeing Michigan Red's stance has put me firmly on the side of the protestors.

I`m fully supporting the camp at Barton , I`ve been down to the camp 3 times.
Peel have given I Gas permission to look for shale gas on the land they own from Barton to the Wirral. I really don`t want a highly dubious industrial process being carried out in the area where I live.

Fair enough, buy a thicker quilt and some mittens, you are going to need em..

I have been down dropping stuff off for the protesters. I`m more than grateful for those camping out down on Barton Moss for doing such an excellent job of peaceful protest despite the best efforts of GMP TAU.