Not good enough return for the money we invested in the squad this year! Too many teams in super league and not enough quality players to go around I'm affraid!

Plus poor coaching & management mate

I find all of your comments, logic and ideas completely baffling and boring.

The problem with Super league is identical to that of the Premiership, it has a top four that will always do well and the rest scrap about making up the numbers with nothing to play for once half the season is over.

Super league needs to return to a relegation/ promotion division at least then those in the bottom half will have meaning to games they play.Also the Champions should be the team that actually wins the league, not a team that wins three or four games and a match at Old Trafford.

I know that doesn't rectify the top four scenario but i wonder how many teams go through the motions when they realise there is nothing to play for and whilst I don't watch your team, would it be wrong to suggest that applies.

Do supporters of Super league teams who eternally finish outside the playoffs really find it a great competion to play in, a straw poll would be interestingas a guide.

Take a little Lithium for the SBD. It will bring you somewhere in the middle...

Wardley Red... can you at least think your own ideas up and not just copy what crap they have bin spouting on GMR. What you are saying would be applicable to all sporting leagues around the world there is allways going to be the top sides and the lesser sides and i include the NRL in that, the richest clubs can attract the best players and should therefore be the best teams. So what do you want to do cut the ESL to wigan saints leeds wire and hull?

For a start Wigan are a top team & Sam Tompkins is a very special player. The positives taken from today I thought Williams & Broughton did really well with Ball in hand, especially Williams, we tried to play football & was not helped by a very poor ref today.
Negatives, we need some quality props, we need a leader on the field & a good defensive coach the same one we had in the first half at HKR, we need to learn to slow the play down when defending without giving silly penalties away!
For the remainder of the season lets Introduce one or two younger plays, give Sneyd a run at half back & drop Ratchford out what have we got to loose.

agree on that - what's the point of NOT playing some of the younger players - as long as you don't demoralise them by risking high scoring pastings like today

You perception of all things Salford are as as much away from reality as were Mr Hicks interpretation of the rules of our great game earlier today and he was absolute rubbish.

As others have previously stated it it as well that the new coach has got some matches to make sure that his theories on what the team requires are correct and that any signings or off loadings are the right ones for the long run.

50+ Defeats - in no particular order...

TEAM NO. 50+LOSSES LRGE AGAINST TEAM
Wigan 0 47 Catalans
Wire 0 40 Hudds
Hudds 0 46 Wigan
Catalan 0 40 Saints
Leeds 0 42 Wire
Cas 3(62,54,56) 48,48,46 Leeds/Wire/Saints
Hull 0 34,34 Hudds/HKR
HKR 0 44,46,46 Leeds/Wire/Hudds
Bradford 4(50,56,58,64) 46 HKR
Quins 5(82,52,54,56,54) 48 Catalan
Crusaders 3(56,64,56) 48 Wigan
Wakey 4(52,52,70,66) 46,48 Hudds/Wigan
Salford 6(56,52,60,52,52,52) 46,42 Leeds/Crusaders

On those stats it's pretty damning for us defensively, although we didn't concede more than 60 a go which some teams managed, the 70 and 82 scores standing out. What it shows to me is that every team, from top to bottom, has come close to conceding 50 if they have not already done so. Although disappointing, the teams in the lower half of SL have suffered multiple times and in some cases worse than us.

I shall rest now. Waiting for the inevitable tsunami of 'stato' abuse that is sure to come my way...

It's the first one since Easter, since being promoted, We have finished 13 (14 points) 12 (16 points) and at worst 11 this season (currently 18 points) that's progress admittedly slow, that was in the main under a coach who had very little new ideas, and was finding positives from these sort of defeats, now we have a coach who is holding nothing back and is expecting us to put in 110% effort regardless of result, as fans that is all we can ask for a bit of pride and effort, we aren't a team of superstars, but if he gets his players to play to the best of their ability and a bit of siege mentality and team spirit we will start to make progress quicker

When Ratch signed for Wire, his interviews were interesting, it was "us" and thinking back to 06, we had that spirit, they wanted to work for each other

On a another note 06 is the only time in recent memory (in SL) we have had a +points difference, But this season we are getting close to the same amount of points scored as that year, we need to work on defence but it's improving, an off-season of hard work in defence I think we will push for the 8 next year

Just watched Tompkins take the *iss ouit of you lot for wigans last try.

Face it Salford are way out of there depth.

A few observations from yesterday..........

Wigan never got out of 2nd gear to beat us comfortably.
Our discipline hasn't improved one jot since MP took over. Silly penalties still killing us.
Pack completely battered again, no wonder Holdsworth looks inept.
Patten had a typical game (No defence, one clean break after 79 minutes).
Broughton and Williams looked quick and dangerous.
Next best players were Ratchford (Gone), Cashmere (Gone) and Henry (Going?)
Only about 250 Salford fans turned out............but were magnificent in their support.
Matt Parish sounded suicidal on GMR
Feka didn't drop the ball
Jewitt showed plenty of aggression
Sam Tomkins is truly world class
The Referee gave some very harsh decisions against us
Hoping for some improvement of Friday
COME ON YOU REDS!!!!

We weren't out of our depth going to France beating catalan on their own patch, we weren't out of depth beating wire at Warrington

We gave 18 point starts to both hull and Leeds and still pushed them all the way

I wasn't saying we should of beaten Wigan, I was making the point we are making progress both on and off the field, it's an exciting time to be a Salford fan, new coach, new stadium, if we could defend our line we could of given them a game, I could remember one try that we conceded from than 20 meters out

And tomkins does that every week to every team not just us

Tomkins isn't that good, he's just a cut above a lot of the chaff currently in Super League.

What concerned me most was Matt Parish on GMR after the game. He sounded not just like a man frustrated with what he saw, but completely frustrated with his entire situation. He's only been here a month ...

I think what people have got to remember is that the silly penalties we conceded were for infringements that Wigan were just as guilty of but did not get pulled for. Also Mr Hicks made life very hard for us by awarding those penalties when we had reached tackle 4 or 5. This meant we were constantly defending for two sets with the second one being on our own line. Admittedly our goal line defence is awful and Wigan were ruthless.

We were not god enough to win but the margin of victory for Wigan was artificially massaged by the ref. 8 out of 10 of their tries came directly after one of those penalties. What I want to know is why we get pulled more than any other team for doing the same things. Holding down, not square and hands in the play the ball was what got done for all game. Apparently Wigan were good little boys all day.

By half time they had made only one line break from their own half and that was on the stroke of half time. Slt would have been interesting to see how the game would have panned out without those dishonest penalties.

Well I could bring up the Wire result at the Willows but to be fair they have hammered most teams they have played this season and Salfords result at the Haliwell was indeed a good effort by the club, if totally unexpected.
However are you seriously trying to convince me that Salford purposely give teams 18 point start just so they can play catch up.I think most people would agree that if you 18 points down it is very difficult to get a result when you are playing teams from your own division,the fact you may have got close in the end is therefore irrelevant, yes you can look for the positives like well we nearly did it but then that sums Salford up " the nearly men".

I do hope for all the true salford fans that the stadium move proves to be a turning point but unless there is serious investment in the current squad (which is doubtful as the club has no spare money)I think it will be yet another season battling to either get the last 8th place or avoid the wooden spoon.

I'd take 8th spot next year.

Anyone who thinks once we move we will suddenly turn into world-beaters is a little far from the mark. We have made progress, albeit slow over the last 3 seasons. 8th spot is a realistic target for next year anything else will be ambitious.

I'll believe that when there are a queue of NRL clubs knocking on his door, to my knowledge that isn't happening. He has looked distinctly average when playing for England against Aus/NZ not to mention the bunch of has beens/never will be Exiles.

That is of co just my observation.

I think the reason we get penalised more than other teams for this, is because we struggle to keep up to the same pace as teams such as Wigan, so in a desperate attempt to slow the game down, we hold the player down for longer than we should. Add to this the fact that Wigan players were fighting to get up and play the ball quickly, it just gives the referee another excuse to give the penalty.

Really tried not to enter this conversation, but the current situation is precisely why we shouldn't have taken on a new coach when we were more than halfway through the season. When the confidence is up and we're on a role, the players have proven they can score tries. What they haven't done is shown an ability to defend and not get penalised for stupid infringements, when the pressure is on.

Now, thanks to four and a half years of poor coaching the problems are severely deep rooted. The main problem was McRae's lack of confidence in his own ability, a problem he passed on to the players. Then we had three seperate coaches wanting to do their own thing, and at least two with low standards. MP has a massive job to do now, he needs to make sure everyone buys into a theory of unity and establish some self-belief.

The theory of a seige mentality is not something I buy into, as it may work for the end of this season, but it won't last for an entire season of SL. My presonal opinion is we should be talking about achieving standards of excellence - sorry if that sounds like a group of buzz words - with a major emphasis on conditioning, speed of play and intensity.

One thing I've always liked about Leeds is the speed of their play, even this year without a particularly great pack they still manage to give most sides a good game. In one of their games against Warrington, Leeds played some superb rugby on the back of quick play balls. The speed of Leeds' play created broken field pocession for them, and space for their backs. Patten is particularly good in broken field and we need to find this for him, if he's to ever become the player that we signed.

A good post Lincolndevilsfan.

A lot of our defensive problems stem from fitness levels imo. MP can do very little about fitness levels this late on in the season. Poor fitness impacts on the speed of the game, your thought processes, and self-belief. Plugging gaps defensively with an unfit side is a lost cause. MP has already stated how unfit the side was, and players themselves have said how knackering the new training has been, even though MP said the sessions have not been that intensive in his opinion. Give him a pre-season and a fitter Salford side, and the gaps will slowly get plugged.

I make that our 6th SL game this season where we've conceded 50+ points, and I also make it the game where we conceded our 10,000th point in SL (total SL points conceded is 10,008 vs 6,421 points scored - if all my stats are correct)

For anyone interested here's how many games we have conceded 50+ points in each SL season (again according to my stats) -

1997 0
1998 0
1999 3 (1 at Home, 2 Away)
2000 5 (2 Home, 3 Away)
2001 6 (3 Home, 3 Away)
2002 2 (1 Home, 1 Away)
2004 1 (Away)
2005 3 (1 Home, 2 Away)
2006 0
2007 5 (1 Home, 3 Away, 1 at Cardiff)
2009 2 (both Away)
2010 5 (4 Away, 1 at Cardiff)
2011 6 (2 Home, 4 Away)

38 times in total

hey boys if we play as bad as we did last year and recently you can score six points on friday night and still win.....