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| Quote ="TheButcher"Let's look at the facts:
1. Sneyd requested a transfer.
2. He had 12 months left on his contract.
3. Salford already have two HB's ahead of him for the 2015 Squad.
4. Why have a player that wants away in your squad?
Seems to me that £100k is extremely good business from Salford's perspective, and if he comes good for Hull, good business for them too. Please refrain from assaulting your keyboard before thinking it through in future.'"
He's a player your owner openly stated he wanted to keep, Sneyd deserves a chance and knew he wasn't going to get one at Salford.
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| Quote He's a player your owner openly stated he wanted to keep, Sneyd deserves a chance and knew he wasn't going to get one at Salford.'"
Come on you know how the games played, "I want to keep this player" = more money
As its been said our chairman is a very astute business man.
For what its worth I am happy the Cas fans got what the wanted and the #FreeMarcSnayed campaign worked.
I am also glad they got what they deserved and Marc when to a club that offered a fee and tbf have acted in dignity (unlike the other lot) regarding this process
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| Irrespective of how much our owner is worth, 100k represents a good piece of business for Salford.
I'm not sure of your logic here 1865. The wealth of Marwan Koukash doesn't determine the market value of Super League's best players, especially if other clubs aren't in such a healthy financial position.
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| Quote ="*1865*"He's a player your owner openly stated he wanted to keep, Sneyd deserves a chance and knew he wasn't going to get one at Salford.'"
He did yes. Behind Chase and Dobson and even possibly Fages. As for chances, well he did have plenty in the couple of seasons he played and he played pretty well in a poor side. I guess the reason why he extended his contract last year was because of those 'lack of chances'?
It's fine that you don't like MK. It's fine if you don't like Salford. You're better off just saying that rather than inventing poorly thought out digs and dressing them up as a valid point.
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| Quote ="bandgeekmafia78"Irrespective of how much our owner is worth, 100k represents a good piece of business for Salford.
I'm not sure of your logic here 1865. The wealth of Marwan Koukash doesn't determine the market value of Super League's best players, especially if other clubs aren't in such a healthy financial position.'"
I'm saying that Koukash would rather have kept him than sold him for his market value, just as other clubs will put premiums on fees when Salford come knocking for a contracted player, you don't need a fee for re-investment, do you?
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| Quote ="TheButcher"He did yes. Behind Chase and Dobson and even possibly Fages. As for chances, well he did have plenty in the couple of seasons he played and he played pretty well in a poor side. I guess the reason why he extended his contract last year was because of those 'lack of chances'?
It's fine that you don't like MK. It's fine if you don't like Salford. You're better off just saying that rather than inventing poorly thought out digs and dressing them up as a valid point.'"
Wow, you are paranoid, aren't you? Just tell me where I've 'had a dig'.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Wow, you are paranoid, aren't you? Just tell me where I've 'had a dig'.'"
Calling people deluded.
Even though a few have pointed out with facts why it wasn't a deluded thing to sell Sneyd. Which you've ignored in favour of responses like the one above. It's fine that you've got your point of view. Believing it and it actually being true are two separate things.
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| The Doc saw Hull FC coming- 100k is way above the transfer fee for a much more seasoned player than Sneyd with a year left. Certainly Dobson and Chase and possibly Fages in front of him. The Doc has been given a massive payout for a player that would have warmed the bench at most for most of next season. FC have been had even if Sneyd turns into the full article. Chase was England half back, former MOS and a proven match winner. Sneyd could in time match that but hes had half a good season - he could equally just turn into the next Greg Eden.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"A £100k for a kid with 12 months left on his contract isnt good business? Hull have had their pants down. The only way this will turn out to be good business for FC is for Sneyd to go on and have 5 or 6 excellent seasons. With your recent history and success in big money signings I just cant see it.
Hopefully he does better than Daniel Holdsworth.
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Name your top 5 number 7's currently playing in Superleague and back it up with some stats.
Then come back and tell us we've had our pants down.
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| as a tigers fan who has been consistently embarrassed by dim fans of my club all season, this deal really has worked out for both clubs IMO. Marc didn't seem keen to stay at Cas, he was keen for regular rugby, and hull finally have their kicking game sorted. on the other hand, Salford have pulled off a blinder offloading an unhappy, untested player for that amount of money. both chairmen must be very happy bunnies.
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| Quote ="jools"The Doc saw Hull FC coming- 100k is way above the transfer fee for a much more seasoned player than Sneyd with a year left. Certainly Dobson and Chase and possibly Fages in front of him. The Doc has been given a massive payout for a player that would have warmed the bench at most for most of next season. FC have been had even if Sneyd turns into the full article. Chase was England half back, former MOS and a proven match winner. Sneyd could in time match that but hes had half a good season - he could equally just turn into the next Greg Eden.'"
I agree it is a big gamble but one worth taking from an FC point of view, especially when season pass sales at Hull are dropping very very rapidly. We paid over 100k for Joe Westerman and it is only in this season we are starting to reap some rewards from that s I doubt it will be an instant success but one I can see working more then it doesn't.
I believe the Doc has being had with Chase though, who to my knowledge has only played in one SL play off game. I suppose with the selling of Sneyd though he has got some of that money back.
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| Quote ="major black"Name your top 5 number 7's currently playing in Superleague and back it up with some stats.
Then come back and tell us we've had our pants down.'"
Fact is Hull FC have paid £120k for a player that is on peanuts and has 12 months left to run on his contract. Granted he's had a decent half-a-season, but so have the majority of that Castleford team.
Just to put it into context, when Wigan signed Matty Smith from us they paid us £50k.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds".....Just to put it into context, when Wigan signed Matty Smith from us they paid us £50k.'"
Yes, but we were a "distressed seller" at that point and that cash probably kept us afloat while we were digging down the back of the sofa to try & retrieve the Myler money!
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Fact is Hull FC have paid £120k for a player that is on peanuts and has 12 months left to run on his contract. Granted he's had a decent half-a-season, but so have the majority of that Castleford team.
Just to put it into context, when Wigan signed Matty Smith from us they paid us £50k.'"
I know what you are saying and agree to some extent. But like yourselves we can afford to pay the 100k+ so it is hardly a big deal from our point of view.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Calling people deluded.
Even though a few have pointed out with facts why it wasn't a deluded thing to sell Sneyd. Which you've ignored in favour of responses like the one above. It's fine that you've got your point of view. Believing it and it actually being true are two separate things.'"
Because most of you are.
When did I say that selling Sneyd was deluded? I said that those of you thinking £100k is a good deal are deluded.
£100k for a cash strapped club would have been terrific business, but for a club with the cash to stock pile it isn't.
Most young players will probably go down the Sneyd route in the end for you anyway.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Fact is Hull FC have paid £120k for a player that is on peanuts and has 12 months left to run on his contract. Granted he's had a decent half-a-season, but so have the majority of that Castleford team.
Just to put it into context, when Wigan signed Matty Smith from us they paid us £50k.'"
Or we could have paid it for England's future scrum half for years to come.
I see somebody's already pointed out the flaw in your Matty Smith argument.
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| Is 100k a lot of money for a player who may or may not be a one season wonder? Yes it is. However, we can easily afford it, we are desperate for a half back and whilst he could flop he just just as likely turn us into a top 4 club. So it's a gamble worth taking.
We only need to shift 7 or 8 hundred extra passes next year on the back of this and we're in profit already, and with a guy we can market as a proper scrum half that's not unlikely.
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| Disappointing to see him leave, although it was inevitable once he was loaned out that he wouldn't return to Salford.
In terms of the fee it is probably a good deal for burn clubs. As for the future, no one really knows how Sneyd will go although he waited long enough at Salford for the chance to have this current 'half a decent season' so you can't really blame him and his agent for being eager to get a deal sorted.
I think he will go well for Hull, whilst at least for a change we have the potential to bring in players of a similar or higher standard in his place, unlike when we have lost players in the past.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Because most of you are.
When did I say that selling Sneyd was deluded? I said that those of you thinking £100k is a good deal are deluded.
£100k for a cash strapped club would have been terrific business, but for a club with the cash to stock pile it isn't.
Most young players will probably go down the Sneyd route in the end for you anyway.'"
Your logic doesn't make sense.
Regardless of how wealthy a Club is, receiving a substantial fee for anyone is good business and not at all deluded. Are you trying to say that because Salford have disposable dosh it would only be a good deal if it was for a great deal more? Do I really need to identify the flaw in that argument too?
If you look around at most SL Clubs you'll find that there's plenty of turnover in their youth. You can't keep all of them after all, just the decent ones. Just look at Wigan, Saints, and Leeds. Teams that have been happy to offload youngsters by the bucketful. If Salford do the same it's somehow a negative though eh?
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| When considering the £120,000 transfer fee I think you have to take into account that Hull were bidding against others and this obviously pushed up the value. Personally I think the club have done OK to get this considering Sneyd only had 12 months left on his contract.
If we got this much for Marc it makes you wonder what Evalds and Theo could be worth at 23. It may be wise to put this money aside for extended new contracts for our best youngsters.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Or we could have paid it for England's future scrum half for years to come.
I see somebody's already pointed out the flaw in your Matty Smith argument.'"
No flaw to it, he was a scrum half with little time left on his contract and was sold. Granted we werent in as comfortable financial position as we are now, but it's a reasonable comparison.
Tim Smith an ex NRL, Wigan and in-form Wakefield scrum half cost us £75k last season too. That situation alone shows you the risk associated with big value signings.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Your logic doesn't make sense.
Regardless of how wealthy a Club is, receiving a substantial fee for anyone is good business and not at all deluded. Are you trying to say that because Salford have disposable dosh it would only be a good deal if it was for a great deal more? Do I really need to identify the flaw in that argument too?'"
Right, to make it even more simpler for you, do you think MK would rather have £100k in his already bulging pockets or the form SH in his team next year?
Quote ="TheButcher"If you look around at most SL Clubs you'll find that there's plenty of turnover in their youth. You can't keep all of them after all, just the decent ones. Just look at Wigan, Saints, and Leeds. Teams that have been happy to offload youngsters by the bucketful. If Salford do the same it's somehow a negative though eh?'"
This part's laughable, the juniors Wigan/Leeds/Saints get rid of are their second string youngsters as the best 7 or 8 are in their first team.
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| I think something else that people forget is that we also have Evalds and Mullaney on the books who have both played HB and in Mullaneys case he did rather well when he did starts in the halves until he got injured.
Has the generator run out of red in Castleford as they seem to have disappeared today, maybe they are out building an effigy of the Doc to burn.
Very good bit of business for Salford and potentially good bit of business for Hull,
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| Quote ="*1865*"Right, to make it even more simpler for you, do you think MK would rather have £100k in his already bulging pockets or the form SH in his team next year?
This part's laughable, the juniors Wigan/Leeds/Saints get rid of are their second string youngsters as the best 7 or 8 are in their first team.
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I give in.
It's not worth the effort in repeating myself or making cognitive points as you seem to be incapable of rational thought. It's like debating a wet turd, except that the turd has a better understanding of why a Club would sell an unsettled player to a Club who haven't brought their own HB through since, well, what seems like forever.
Let me be the first to concede. I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
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