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| I thought it would be interesting to see what team us fans would select for the 4 nations. I'll set up a poll for each position, I will only include those players who have been playing in that position for their clubs and are have officially declared themselves eligible for England (not the Morris twins for example). I won't include players who have suffered season ending injuries. I will also try and include a larger selection of players, some stand a better chance than others. If you think I've missed anyone let me know and I'll add them if I can (I've never tried editing a poll)
Today is full back, you can select 2, most votes starts and second goes into the squad. Poll runs for 7 days.
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| Lomax.
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| Lomax for me too, despite Shaul's excellent year, he doesn't have the all round game yet.
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| Widdop should really be an option. I would be tempted to go Widdop at FB and Gale and Hodgson in the halves with Roby or Houghton at 9.
anyway, with the options given i would go either Lomax or Tomkins.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Widdop should really be an option. I would be tempted to go Widdop at FB and Gale and Hodgson in the halves with Roby or Houghton at 9.
anyway, with the options given i would go either Lomax or Tomkins.'"
So you want a NRL half to play fullback, and a hooker at stand off? Give over.....
Gale 7, Williams 6, Hodgson and Clark/Houghton at 9, and Lomax at 1.
Tomkins and Widdop should not be anywhere near the squad imo.
Could even bring Houghton and Clark as 9 and put Hodgson at 13.
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| Quote ="tigerman1231"So you want a NRL half to play fullback, and a hooker at stand off? Give over.....
Gale 7, Williams 6, Hodgson and Clark/Houghton at 9, and Lomax at 1.
Tomkins and Widdop should not be anywhere near the squad imo.
Could even bring Houghton and Clark as 9 and put Hodgson at 13.'"
Widdop used to play full back for the Storm and did it well. He is more than solid there and would provide a good creative link option. Hodgson has also filled in well at half this year in a side challenging for the NRL premiership. It would also allow us to utilise another of our other quality 9's and solidify our defence. Williams will be good no doubt, but is still not ready imo for international football against the best.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Widdop should really be an option. I would be tempted to go Widdop at FB and Gale and Hodgson in the halves with Roby or Houghton at 9. anyway, with the options given i would go either Lomax or Tomkins.'"
The reason I didn't include Widdop is he is a half for his club. Things could get very complicated, I could include Ratchford in the centres and the halves, Sam Burgess in a number of positions that a simple poll can't cope with. That's why players are included only in the position they have been playing for their club
While I'm on the subject has Hardaker been playing Wing or Centre?
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| I'd love to know who picked Connor and Sutcliffe - JC, was that you?
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| Not saying he deserves it after the season he's had, but how can you have a poll without including the current England fullback? Until told otherwise the incumbent fullback is Hardaker and I'd be surprised if he's not considered.
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| Shaul followed by Lomax for me.
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| [list[/list:u Quote ="Trainman"The reason I didn't include Widdop is he is a half for his club. Things could get very complicated, I could include Ratchford in the centres and the halves, Sam Burgess in a number of positions that a simple poll can't cope with. That's why players are included only in the position they have been playing for their club
While I'm on the subject has Hardaker been playing Wing or Centre?'"
fair enough i see what you mean.
Hardaker has been filling in anywhere he is needed in the back line. he played his last game for Penrith in the play offs at centre. He would make good cover back for the squad imo.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"Not saying he deserves it after the season he's had, but how can you have a poll without including the current England fullback? Until told otherwise the incumbent fullback is Hardaker and I'd be surprised if he's not considered.'"
Because he has been playing wing/centre for Penrith. He also IIRC only played a few games at FB for Leeds then was dropped then shifted to the wing (apologies if I don't recall correctly)
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| I'm another one in favour of Widdop at full-back. He's played there plenty and done fine, as already mentioned. He's a better full-back than he is a half in my book, and there are people who deserve a shot at his half-back shirt. But I'm not expecting Bennett to be too adventurous. And I might be quite wrong! It's going to be interesting to see.
Watching Hardaker in the NRL, I can see how he'd be bullied where Widdop wouldn't.
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| The most surprising thing about Hardaker is how physically soft he's looked in the NRL. He loses the collision most of the time and his one-on-one defence is just weak. I'd say its partly down to the greater physicality in the NRL, but he also didn't help his cause much by messing around all year for Leeds. He doesn't seem too sharp and may not have noticed how his body was slowly deteriorating, certainly compared to last season. If he stays in the NRL I'd imagine he'll be much heavier and stronger next year.
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| Despite not having any love for ST I think at the moment he's shown enough to get the nod, Shaul doesn't have enough in his locker in other departments as yet.
I remember Richard Horne being played at FB at Hull and plenty saying he was in the running for the GB FB spot even back in 2001, quite honestly if we'd had a 6 at the time he would have being in front of Wellens. Luckily for PW we didn't and not being a 'top' club didn't help either.
So, if Widdop is deemed to be the best person for the FB role then I wouldn't have any qualms about that
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| A half crock Tomkins is still head and shoulders above anyone else
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| I think the "love in" with Tomkins is over and he shouldn't be on that list, currently stat wise (taking into account early season injured) he is the worse full back in Superleague. His go forward making metres is atrocious and his clean breaks is shocking compared to the 2013 version, there is also the factor that his defending is very hit and miss especially taking a high ball.
Jamie Shaul has improved a lot these last 2 seasons, he has a safe pair of hands and is positional play in attack and defence is much better these days.
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| Quote ="Trainman"Because he has been playing wing/centre for Penrith. He also IIRC only played a few games at FB for Leeds then was dropped then shifted to the wing (apologies if I don't recall correctly)'"
This season with his many problems yes, but he is reigning Man of Steel, and he won that playing full back. All I'm saying is that if you're going to have a vote on who should be England's full back then not having England's current full back as one of the options seems a little remiss.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"This season with his many problems yes, but he is reigning Man of Steel, and he won that playing full back. All I'm saying is that if you're going to have a vote on who should be England's full back then not having England's current full back as one of the options seems a little remiss.'"
I see your point, my intention was to put him as an option for centre purely because he has played there for full back. There will always be a difference of opinion over players and where they should play. For example Sam Burgess could be prop, second row or loose. I'd hazard a guess that most would have him in their England team, if he was a vote option for each position he could get selected in several positions or none so for the purposes of this I felt I had to limit a player to one position and chose the one they have been playing most recently. It's not foolproof I know but couldn't think of a better way.
To add to that I went through the 19 pages of the England thread and made sure all suggestions in there were in the poll, Hardaker wasn't suggested by anyone at full back.
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| Has to be Lomax for me, in this day and age your fullback has to be able to play as an extra pivot and I don't think Shaul is good enough in this regard.
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| Lomax for me
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| I think Lomax is very underrated. I think he's absolute class!
Ratchford is never a full back, by the way.
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| Tomkins, or Lomax IMO. They're the most complete full backs we have.
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| Lomax - shaul not quite ready yet, but it will come.
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