what teams would you have?
How many?
What rule changes?
anything?

1 bulls
2 cas
3 catalan
4 giants
5 fc
6 kr
7 rhinos
8 saints
9 wakey
10 reds
11 broncos
12 wire
13 wigan
14 widnes
15 new london club?
16 Toulouse
17 Halifax
18 Leigh
19 featherstone
20 sheffield
21 newcastle team
22 another manchester team?

video ref decisions would allow to rule out forward passes.

all clubs in super league who are new get improvements made to stadiums.

i know its a lot of teams but is only way to expand the game really.

LOL

Saints
Wire Wolfs
Hull Kingston FC
Huddersfield Giants
Catalan Dragons
Toulouse Titans
Leeds Rhinos
Palma Nova Protheans
Los Angeles Leviathons
San Francisco Scimitars
Benidorm Blue Socks

What we need to add to the franchising system is extremely rich people. So I would make it mandatory that every franchise application was backed by a Sheikh or a trillionaire. Salary cap would be £4bn per year and it would be marketed properly and hype-machined into the big time.

we need a London franchise

You need to be in an asylum, or maybe even RLHQ as a marketing man

, same thing really.

Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Bradford, Saints, Wire, Huddersfield, Catalans, London, HKR - in SL1

Cas, Wakey, Salford, Widnes, Leigh, Fev, Fax, Toulouse, Swansea/Cardiff, Sheffield - in SL2

1 up 1 down, 3 year entry opportunity ideally to grow leagues to 12/12.

27 games plus play offs of G1-1v2, G2-3v4. Winner G1 to final, loser plays winner G2.

Currently £1.3m x 14 teams from Sky deal, and £90k per team from Championship deal.

Propose £1.2m for SL1 - balance will be more than made up from fixtures - and £700k for SL2.

£2m cap in SL1 with no club allowed to spend below this, £1.2m in SL2 with same caveat - if they can't afford it they shouldn't be in it.

No more than 3 overseas of any description in SL1 squad, 2 in SL2 with dispensation for Toulouse and Cardiff/Swansea to 4 for 2 years.

hmmmmm could do an nfl style conference ie

nw conf

wire
wigan
saints
leigh
widnes

yorkshire 1

leeds
bradford
hudds
halifax
sheffield

yorkshire 2

hull fc
hull kr
castleford
featherstone
wakey

outside

salford
broncos
catalans
toulouse
skolars

top 3 from each league go through to the playoffs that are drawn randomly but 1st places are seeded and miss the first round ie

1st round could have

wigan vs bradford
hull kr vs broncos
saints vs hudds
cas vs cats

say the winners are wigan, hull kr, saints and cats they go into the hat for next round of

wire vs hull kr
wigan vs leeds
salford vs hull fc
saints vs cats

then onto semis then grand final

On what basis can Cas, Wakey + Salford be dumped in the division BELOW London? can't be based on on-field performance

Have you made up Cardiff/Swansea by magic or are you referring to South Wales Scorpions?

Can we have dispensation as well please

So the derby games get milked to death even more and we have 4 groups of completely disproportionate quality (compare NW pool with outside + Yorks 2 pools)

it was an idea and they maybe disproportionate quality but within the leagues themselves are fairly even

just saying that if did have clubs from newcastle and london etc. then its worth a shot, i know its not working in london but still its better trying to develop the game than do nothing.

Just two posts into the second page and I'm not sure I've seen so many sh*t ideas in one place before...

I know Saddened!'s was a joke but I'm not sure about the rest!

On the basis that we must start off with a top tier London club to showcase our sport in the capital and support the excellent grass roots that have been established over many years, plus London have never finished bottom in SL.

For RL to take a hold in S.Wales at SL level it must be at either of those two locations, call the club what you will.

I'd like to advocate a conference system but it just feels somehow "unbritish" so I'd only go for that if we had enough French clubs to form their own conference.

I'd like the RFL to come out with a full on 5-10 year strategy. I'm sure they do have some sort of plan but if we really want to see things like France get up to England's level then they will just have to suck it up and tell everyone that the best prepared French club will get a place in Super league.
I'd like to see a fully pro championship and further geographical expansion at the lower levels, dependent on outcomes from the 4 new clubs coming in.

We can't be so afraid of failure either. So what if an idea fails? How else are the RFL going to learn what works and what doesn't. The Crusaders affair has likely taught a lot of people in the game a lesson. Catalans shows us what works, Crusaders shows us what doesn't.

If it was an "Ideal" SL where everything is great/clubs are self-sustaining etc then I'd have a 16 team league of:
Leeds
Wigan
Huddersfield
Bradford
Sheffield
Hull FC
Hull KR
Saints
Warrington
Salford/Manchester
London Broncos
London Skolars
Nottingham
Gloucester
Newcastle
Wrexham

Similar to NRL where top 8 play each other twice and bottom 8 once (and vice versa for bottom

with a top 8 playoff. Obviously Challenge Cup.
3 overseas players allowed per club.
A Heritage round, plus a "youth" round where at least 8 players out of the 17 must be non-overseas and under the age of 24.
a 3-game series Origin Series consisting of Yorkshire, Lancashire & Rest of UK/Barbarians type side. The previous years winner is automatically in the next years series. The other participant decided by a preliminary game.
A mid-season Tri-Nations between England, France & Wales. 1 game each followed by Final.
Every 2 years there should be an end of year 3-Test Series rotating between GB, Australia & NZ. With a World Cup every 4 years.
Oh and as its an "ideal", there would be P&R re-introduced as the Championship would be strong enough ideally.

If its working with what we've already got then a 14 team league is about right, as are the teams within it.
I'd like Magic Weekend to be at Etihad permanently and built on, and also have the Magic Weekend be a Heritage Round.
The Challenge Cup should start later so there is more momentum built in it going toward the final (ie not such big gaps) plus restricted to only 1 overseas player.
I'd also replace the Exiles game with a 3-game Yorkshire v Lancashire series.
And restrict those picked in England/GB/Elite squads to playing 24 regular SL rounds & 3 CC games (not including the final).
I'd be desperately trying to find a very rich owner to take over London Broncos.

why are you lot even bothering debating it?!

seems a massive waste of time to me.

I'm beginning to think more and more that Cleck Bulls is still in primary school...

My ideal SL would be a league of min 12 max 20 clubs all with an income over 5million pounds, all with a home avg of 10,000+ fans, all playing in a decent stadium and all 75% full of players from their country.

I wouldn't really care what teams they are as long as they were doing the above.

I reckon RLHQ would not only agree with you, but have wet dreams over this scenario.

Adelaide, Auckland, Brisbane, Canberra, Canterbury, Cronulla, Hunter, North Queensland, Penrith & Perth

SL1:-

Wigan
St Helens
Warrington
Leeds
Catalans
Hull FC
Hull KR
Huddersfield
Bradford
London B

SL2:-

Castleford
Salford
Widnes
Featherstone
Leigh
Halifax
Wakefield
Sheffield
Toulouse
Midlands Team (Northampton or Coventry)

Sky money split equal between the 2 divisions with P&R 1 up 1 down each season.

All remaining clubs into 1 division with P & R each season with SL2 ( 1 up 1 down).......as long as they reach new standards set by the RFL.....Improvements to ground being carried out etc.

Also the lower division to get a bigger payout each season from the RFL.

Salary caps......

SL1 - 1.7 Million
SL2 - 1 Million
Champ - 400 grand or lower depending on income (each clubs cap decided by RFL off previous seasons figures)

12 team superleague playing home and away only, get rid of the extra contrived fixture of the magic weekend.

Magic weekend would be a 2 day seeded super 9 competion guaranteeing fast open rugby to attract new supporters to the game.

Replace franchising with promotion and relegation every 2 years. Promoted team to receive reducing subsidy from RFL to finance structure of the club over period.

Make the game more intense by making the clubs fight all through the season for a top 3 play off, top team needs rewarding by going straight into final.

Massive spend by RFL on TV advertising and Media presence to give the game some stature through superleague promotion. Similar massive change in the marketing arm of RFL to attract real global sponsors.