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| Can someone please explain to me how this works by the book?
Micky Paea was penalised for tackling a Catalans player off the ball but this player was running a dummy. Surely the whole purpose of a dummy runner is to make the defence believe you are going to get the ball and as such should expect to be tackled?
Obviously that then takes us to the penalty of being tackled off the ball, but where is the line here? If the said player had got the ball but Paea had left him because he didn't want to be penalised in front of the sticks the player goes in for a try, if he makes the tackle and the player doesn't get the ball Catalans level the game up via a 2 pointer.
That is a rock and a hard place in my book and personally I think if it is a dummy runner then they should be fair game to be tackled just as much as if they had the ball in their hands.
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| So Paea made a bad decision defensively, jumped in and tackled a player who didn't have the ball and would not have been bracing himself for contact?
I'd penalise that all day long - it is illegal to obstruct any opponent not in possession of the ball
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| Quote ="nick hkr"Can someone please explain to me how this works by the book?
Micky Paea was penalised for tackling a Catalans player off the ball but this player was running a dummy. Surely the whole purpose of a dummy runner is to make the defence believe you are going to get the ball and as such should expect to be tackled?
Obviously that then takes us to the penalty of being tackled off the ball, but where is the line here? If the said player had got the ball but Paea had left him because he didn't want to be penalised in front of the sticks the player goes in for a try, if he makes the tackle and the player doesn't get the ball Catalans level the game up via a 2 pointer.
That is a rock and a hard place in my book and personally I think if it is a dummy runner then they should be fair game to be tackled just as much as if they had the ball in their hands.'"
It's up to the defender to make the right read.
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| Quote ="nick hkr"Can someone please explain to me how this works by the book?
Micky Paea was penalised for tackling a Catalans player off the ball but this player was running a dummy. Surely the whole purpose of a dummy runner is to make the defence believe you are going to get the ball and as such should expect to be tackled?
Obviously that then takes us to the penalty of being tackled off the ball, but where is the line here? If the said player had got the ball but Paea had left him because he didn't want to be penalised in front of the sticks the player goes in for a try, if he makes the tackle and the player doesn't get the ball Catalans level the game up via a 2 pointer.
That is a rock and a hard place in my book and personally I think if it is a dummy runner then they should be fair game to be tackled just as much as if they had the ball in their hands.'"
Nick Paea didn't have the ball and tackled the Catalan player. Thats a penalty al day long. Soft one to conceded but nevertheless a penalty.
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| The dummy runner should be nowhere near the defenders.
Attackers who are in front of the ball when it's passed should be ruled offside
IMO.
A pass behind a dummy runner is all well and good if the decoy is onside and the receiver is running from deep.
But the number of easy tries off shallow passes with the dummy runner well ahead of play and disrupting the defensive pattern is boring. Again, IMO.
A rule change would bring a bit more variety to backline shots.
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| Quote ="Steve Fox"The dummy runner should be nowhere near the defenders. '"
Given the whole point of dummy runners is to engage and confuse defenders creating an overlap for the players outside them, how do you suggest they do this without going anywhere near the defensive line?
Stand ten yards away and wave at them?
All that would happen under your suggestion is that the ball would be passed along the line to the winger, who would then be smashed into touch by half a dozen defenders who have slid across from the inside.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Given the whole point of dummy runners is to engage and confuse defenders creating an overlap for the players outside them, how do you suggest they do this without going anywhere near the defensive line?
Stand ten yards away and wave at them?
All that would happen under your suggestion is that the ball would be passed along the line to the winger, who would then be smashed into touch by half a dozen defenders who have slid across from the inside.'"
You have just described Rugby Yawnion
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"So Paea made a bad decision defensively, jumped in and tackled a player who didn't have the ball and would not have been bracing himself for contact?
I'd penalise that all day long - it is illegal to obstruct any opponent not in possession of the ball'"
This.
You can't tackle a man without the ball - if Paea misread the play and tackled the decoy, that's his mistake and deserves to be penalised; the dummy runner did his job well - Paea did his badly.
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Glad Nick brought this up. We've been penalised a number of times for the same thing in the last season or so & it's bloody annoying. Paea is committed to the tackle as Fisher throws the dummy. What's he supposed to do? If he waits to see if the pass has been made it's already a try. About 03:05 here...
www.superleague.co.uk/sltv/SLHighlights#
Check out Blanch's try around 02:50 & see why Sandercock was so upset about that as well.
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Glad Nick brought this up. We've been penalised a number of times for the same thing in the last season or so & it's bloody annoying. Paea is committed to the tackle as Fisher throws the dummy. What's he supposed to do? If he waits to see if the pass has been made it's already a try. About 03:05 here...
www.superleague.co.uk/sltv/SLHighlights#
Check out Blanch's try around 02:50 & see why Sandercock was so upset about that as well.
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| Having seen it again it was kind of a lazy challenge as he seemed to know what he was doing on this occasion. If he tackled the player like that and the player had the ball he'd effectively have tackled the player and allowed him to score anyway as the player lands over the line!
On the other hand Paea puts the shoulder in on him and that player is "obstructing" Paea from getting to the ball carrier so quite possibly a penalty the other way could have been given.
In this instance though after reviewing it I would say Paea knew he was attacking a none ball carrying player and the penalty was legitimate.
The point still stands though, should defenders be punnished for falling for what effectively the attacking team are aiming for?
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| Yes - the defender needs to read the play better and react faster. The use of dummy runners is something that SL is still behind the NRL on.
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| if you can tackle the dummy runner it leaves it blatantly open to big cheap shots
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| In virtually every game you'll see dummy runners knocked over by a defender. It's rarely penalised though.
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| The difference is, if you misread the play and are attracted by the dummy runner, you know you've got it wrong before you make the tackle.
Ok, you may collide, but if you follow through with the tackle you should be penalised.
Obviously the dummy runner has a resposibility too. If they run straight at a defender, they are penalised as it is intended obstruction. They have to run at the gap.
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