I always find it amazing how many experts outside Wakefield and Cas there are on this subject.

For what it is worth, I wouldn't like to share a ground but would do if that's the only way to play on (with caveats)
For those having a go at the Cas ground, I think it is fine. There is too much pressure put on to change to brand new stadiums when Cas are in a more unique place of being able to modernise their own. I would not mind it as a visiting supporter.
Belle Vue on the other hand is in need of much more work. We need the stadium far more than Cas do so where they might have a choice of staying or moving, I don't think we have the same choice at all.
The new setup has proved the club being run in a more professional manner can draw crowds in as much as success on the field can. Wakefield could be very successful with the changes that are possibly ahead.
Are we in a new stadium yet. No. Can we be. Yes. Will we be, well it looks promising but still work to be done.

Contrary to what others have said above, Wakefield have had big crowds in the past so it is clearly possible. For Cas there is a different kind of catchment area but the fact that when they were relegated their crowds were often bigger than their Super League counterparts shows they have a loyal supporter base that can easily be added to.

exactly

then are given a franchise on the back of it!

meanwhile leigh and halifax dont get one.

Why would we want to groundshare????

In case you forgot, I'll remind you, we have a ground, that is owned by the sports governing body, who are very unlikely to boot us out, for many a reason.......

Now tell me again why the All New Super Bulls need to consider ground sharing? What would be the driving factor behind a share?

Wakey and Cas on the other hand, may be forced to share.....

Cas won't be forced to do anything. We own our own ground (one of very few). We have a board of directors who answer to the shareholders (again - one of very few).

You've just answered your own question there. So - Bulls are protected by the RFL owning Odsal – the same governing body that will force Wakey and Cas to groundshare. Hilarious.

Sorry Bullpower, it was only meant as a flippant remark and of cours you are right that the Bulls and Leeds should never share a ground but, the Wakey / Cas thing keeps being banded round like the two clubs are in the wrong by wishing to be independent of each other and as I have said many times, IF Wakey and Cas do groundshare, then the next step would likely be some kind of merger, which the supporters of both clubs dont want, in the same way that you wouldn't want to merge with Hudds or Leeds or Halifax (all of which are in similar proximity to Bradford).
Even you have used the phrase "forced to share", WHY ?
If the RFL buy one iconic traditional ground, whilst forcing most others to disappear, then why didnt they protect the others ?

Boulevard
Central Park
Wilderspool
Craven Park
Knowsley Road

The truth is that they dona actually want historic grounds (apart from yours of course

, they want shiny TV friendly grounds.
Once again, as is the modern trend, style over substance

You mate are a star (literally) for stating the obvious.

Why this simple fact evades the like Smokey is beyond belief.

If every team in SL got 50k attendances every week there would still be a bottom club DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SMOKEY.

The classic example of this which buggers up his argument completely that only well supported teams win prizes is his own club. Throughout the 80's and 90's Leeds had the second best support and cheque book after Wigan and won Jack. Wigan still have the best buying power but can't buy a title. Hull continue to get big crowds but seem no nearer a breakthrough.

Wakefield and Cas look unlikely to win much for now yet Wakey especially offer spirited and competitive matches most of the season to all teams including Leeds. In 2004 but for a dodgy call at Wigan would have made the semi final of the play offs. So we do rise occasionally, and in 2004 from nowhere we produced a competitive team, what we couldn't do was sustain it.

I firmly believe it's not just money but a winning mentality that creates teams that win - the latter the most important.

I do not believe that should Wakeys new ground yield the 10k+ averages this will make us a competitive team. It will be a seed change in the clubs mentality that will cause it, the money will just help sustain it. Truth is it's more about who runs your club.

jeeze not another should wakey and cas share a new stadium thread, why does nobody see the elephant in the room?

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get it now?.......................nope didn't think so, carry on.

Yes, I understand A club needs to finish bottom every year, but it doesn’t need to be the same club you complete buffoon.




Have you been drinking? Hull have won the Challenge cup and appeared in a grand final. Wigan won the LLS this year, the challenge cup the year before, and SL the year before that.

Wakefield are better than that, I know James Elston and I know he wouldn’t accept you patronising the club like that. They aim to be up at the top, they are putting in place what they need to be up at the top, they aren’t going to all they effort they are doing with the stadium just to be surviving at the bottom of SL with the odd victory as plucky underdogs. They want something to put in the trophy cabinet, not just once but time after time.

There is no reason why a Wakefield side, playing out of a quality facility could attract similar levels of support to Leeds, Hull, Wigan. etc

I’ve seen one or two shock posts on the V.T over the years, however, this has surpassed them all!

I was under the impression you only wanted Leeds & Bradford to fly the flag for West Yorkshire.

Yeah and neither one is trying to build one.... oh wait a minute !, there was a guy called Pickles who was to approve plans, stupid of me to forget that one


IF YOU WRITE IN LARGE LETTERS THEN YOU MUST BE RIGHT.

It is taking some time to get that piece of paper signed Wrencat.

Not at all. Im not sure there is enough space in SL for 5 West Yorkshire clubs, certainly not 6.

I’ve said for a long time Wakefield have real potential, sadly for too many years they weren’t run particularly well, and I still think that they and Cas spend too much time worrying about each other and not enough about just getting the bodies through the gates.

Saying that, I also think a successful Wakefield will make it much more difficult for Cas to grow.

It may be taking some time, but some things cant be rushed and it will be worth the wait !

You know Elston do you, poor old Jim I bet every meeting with you is 10 hours of his life he won't get back.

There is only one patronising buffoon on here and that's you. A wanabee expert/insider who actually doesn't have a clue. You don't get RL and you never will, I pity you to be honest.

What a bore you are. As for the two faced flattery give over you fool no one. I bet when Cas were going great guns early SL taking a 100 buses to London you were wetting yourself.

Get back under your stone and leave us both alone, there's a good lad.

You do make me laugh with your nonsense vastpants.

Cas have never relied on waky for anything, we got some help from WMDC with the pp going in, but not much ells, for me it was a wast of a hell of a lot of money, if Cas do get a new stadium it would be massive for the Xscape and Junction 32 complexes with away fans making a full day in the shops and restraints, Glasshoughton is a perfect site to build a multi purpose stadium, there would be no lose of green belt land & the M62 & rail link is on the door step, but if that is not to be, re furbish the old ground, all it needs is a new main stand,with new dressing rooms, and a few new bars to bring it up to scratch, then we would have three sides covered, and at a later date cover the railway end, all this could have been finished in stagers over the last ten years, but we kept being told it was not feasible by Mr Wright, and the new stadium was just round the corner, know he has gone into the wings, & i for one will never believe any thing he says again. The one thing i do know is that Cas do have assets unlike some other clubs, if we do get a new ground it will be Cas`s, if we renovate it will be Cas`s, and if Newmarket gets build and we don't have a ground fit for purpose, we can sell the land, become debt free and share Newmarket with it being a community ground, and Cas being part of the community

Althiough it's good to have asset's, most clubs seem to rent their grounds these days.
I'd certainly be happy going to watch Wakey at Newmarket

You don't make anyone laugh, that's the problem you old windbag. Most trolls at least have the courtesy to be funny or interesting.

Of course there are other factors to take into consideration, namely that Wigan spent money a player they couldn't afford (Dobson) and that we were also in for.

One could argue that had Wigan not spent over the cap and Cas had signed Dobson, Cas would have stayed in SL. There is a much wider picture to take into consideration but being an anti-Cas Leeds fan, I don't suppose you see much outside of black and white.

I know it's hard to comprehend for insular-minded fans but there is a much wider criteria for Super League licensing than stadia. I know it's hard to understand but that's the fact of the matter.

The simple fact is that the likes of Cas are superior in other areas.

I think what a lot of fans from both clubs fail to realise is that Wakefield benefit from a strong and well-supported Castleford club and vica versa. In terms of away support (and therefore cash) the game between the clubs is often one of the best attended due to the local rivalry and close proximity to each other. It benefits both clubs for the other to succeed, bringing more supporters and increasing cash into both clubs.

In terms of new stadia, neither club seem to be ready to start building. Without being an expert, Cas simply don't have the cash and (as I understand but may be wrong) Newmarket will not be built until a certain number of warehouse units are built and occupied, which could be years down the line judging by the amount of already-empty warehouse space within only a few miles of the site.

I'd groundshare if it meant the future success of the clubs, if Inter Milan and AC Milan can share the San Siro I'm sure we can manage it.

The thing is Notts, most fans from Wakefield and Cas know full well that we benefit from each other. It's a great rivalry well worth marketing. It's only when outsiders start pushing the ground share that the arguements start and because the ground situations aren't sorted yet, we start the one upmanship routine.

One could argue that but they would look silly, Wigan finished three places above Castleford. Castleford weren’t relegated because Wigan overspent on the cap, they were relegated because they finished in a relegation place, Wigan weren’t because they finished a quarter of the league away from a relegation place.